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re: FSU is addition by subtraction
Posted on 8/13/11 at 8:13 pm to roadGator
Posted on 8/13/11 at 8:13 pm to roadGator
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If UF gets 48% of FL and FSU gets 25-35%, is that better than getting 45% of VA/DC or Mizz area? I don't know the answer for sure but I would guess the new markets would be better.
You are right the local market numbers would be a loss. But, imagine that Mizz match-up draws 2% of the national viewers, but an FSU match-up pulls in 5%. 3% more of the nation is bigger than 45% of Mizz area.
You are confusing the larger percent of a market vs. the larger number of overall viewers. I mean would you rather have 3% of 115 million (3.45M) viewers or 45% of 5 million (2.25M).
Obviously, I made these numbers up to illustrate a point, but I don't have the data to run. However, I bet Mike Slive does; so, if he wants FSU, there is likely a reason. I'm just trying to show you that owning 45% of market could still be less beneficial than owning a team in the same market.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 8:44 pm
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Posted on 8/13/11 at 8:16 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
If you want something that isn't a national championship game....
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But again we don't have perfect information. And, that game was played on Labor Day. However the top watched game came on Oct. 8th 1994:
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FSU Miami rivalry
The rivalry is a television ratings bonanza, accounting for the two highest rated college football telecasts in ESPN history. The 2006 game between Miami and FSU was the second most-viewed college football game, regular season or bowl, in the history of ESPN, averaging 6,330,000 households in viewership (6.9 rating). It trailed only the 1994 game between Miami and FSU, which notched a 7.7 rating
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But again we don't have perfect information. And, that game was played on Labor Day. However the top watched game came on Oct. 8th 1994:
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Florida State's 13-10 victory over Miami on Monday night was ESPN's most-viewed college football game ever. The Labor Day game was on ESPN and ESPN2 and drew an average of 6,330,000 households. The 6.9 rating made it the network's second highest-rated college football game behind a 7.7 rating for Florida State at Miami on Oct. 8, 1994.
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This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 8:26 pm to Archie Bengal Bunker
2010-2011 bowl ratings
FSU vs. SCAR drew 5.02. The third highest non-BCS bowl rating; highest was UF-Penn St Outback at 7.05 (which beat two BCS games, impressive) And, that number is significant unlike the BCS title game numbers because there is a clear difference in the non-BCS games. Only 5 of the 30 non-BCS games pulled a 4.0 or higher. And two of the BCS games only pulled a 6.15 and 6.75.
IT'S ALL ABOUT MATCH-UPS. And, a FSU vs. X SEC team is a better match-up than Missouri vs. X SEC team.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 8:38 pm to 1LoudTideFan
Of the prospective teams FSU is easily the most natural fit in the SEC. They would have instant rivalries with UF, UGA, and Auburn. One of the problems with the ACC is it is too geographically spread out and so many of its games are but manufactured rivlaries. If FSU were to join the SEC my guess is their fan interest would be compelled to expand.
In opposition to them: 1) They were already invited back in the early 90's when they chose the ACC instead under the pretense that they already were strong in football and the ACC would advance them in basketball. I think that's the story. 2) Perhaps, moreso than any other team since then, UF has carried the SEC banner. If UF really doesn't want them in the SEC then that should be weighed very heavily in the invite list.
In opposition to them: 1) They were already invited back in the early 90's when they chose the ACC instead under the pretense that they already were strong in football and the ACC would advance them in basketball. I think that's the story. 2) Perhaps, moreso than any other team since then, UF has carried the SEC banner. If UF really doesn't want them in the SEC then that should be weighed very heavily in the invite list.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 8:43 pm to AlwysATgr
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One of the problems with the ACC is it is too geographically spread out and so many of its games are but manufactured rivlaries
Manufactured rivalries? Sorry, but this is ignorant. The ACC has very strong rivalries that have withstood the test of time. LSU is the king of manufactured rivalries anyway.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 9:43 pm to Alahunter
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End and renegotiate are two totally different things. Time frames etc will be the same, just the $ will be affected.
And what if they can't reach an agreement renegotiating? SEC asks for more than ESPN wants to pay what happens? It makes no sense to have a right to renegortiate and claim they don't have an out.
Posted on 8/13/11 at 10:21 pm to TulaneUVA
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The ACC has very strong rivalries that have withstood the test of time.
Three questions:
1) What are the "very strong" intra-ACC rivalries that have stood the test of time?
2) What ACC schools were already FSU rivals before they joined the ACC?
3) Why is the ACCCG attendance so low?
Posted on 8/13/11 at 10:35 pm to AlwysATgr
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Three questions:
Obviously baited, but I'll play.
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1) What are the "very strong" intra-ACC rivalries that have stood the test of time?
You're probably going to blast me on my definition of 'very strong' and 'stood the test of time', but whatever
- Miami vs. FSU. Although it was that big before the 80's or so, these two have brought in mega TV ratings and very outstanding and heated games in the last few decades. They've made up for it and it's still a timebomb waiting on their return to dominance.
-UVA and UNC is the Oldest Rivalry in the South. First played in 1892, these two teams have played 5 more games than Army-Navy and 1 more than UGA-Auburn.
-Duke-UNC. Shouldn't need to elaborate on this.
- UVA and VT. First game played in 1895 and we've played annually since 70's. Lot's of in-state hate here that would probably surprise you.
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ome from outside the state are surprised to learn that the rivalry can be a bitter one. Former Ohio State quarterback and football analyst Kirk Herbstreit said in 2004 that he "never realized how much those people hate each other." He went on to say "when I was down in Blacksburg, I said some nice things about Al Groh and it was like I had turned my back on them."[7]
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2) What ACC schools were already FSU rivals before they joined the ACC?
Before FSU joined? I can't recall anyone (which leads me to say no one).
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3) Why is the ACCCG attendance so low?
Jacksonville location and lack of high tiered teams (top 5 and/or BCS championship contenders) in the 5 or so years coupled with FSU and Miami being mediocre.
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 10:45 pm to TulaneUVA
FSU IS A GREAT FIT FOR THE SEC, they were 1 or 2 in recruiting this past year. They are recruiting SEC type players.
FSU is denying any contact with the SEC and saying they are not moving? Whats up?
FSU is denying any contact with the SEC and saying they are not moving? Whats up?
This post was edited on 8/13/11 at 10:47 pm
Posted on 8/13/11 at 11:59 pm to 1LoudTideFan
VA Tech > FSU > Mizzou
in terms of desirability.
Adding markets is one thing and keeping match-ups "prime" is another. There needs to be a good mixture of both.
VA Tech would be the ideal team to add, due to market and decent competition. FSU would keep the ratings high and I think would remain somewhat competitive.
I don't particularly care for the addition of Mizzou. People are shouting "ST.Louis/KC markets", but forget the fact that Mizzzou only became a buzz football name in 2007 when they were in the talks for the NC and flubbed. I don't trust the stability of their football program (strength and recruiting) and don't think that adding a program with little history and unknown future stability will THAT beneficial for the SEC. I would hate to add them only for them to become a bottom dweller of the SEC.
in terms of desirability.
Adding markets is one thing and keeping match-ups "prime" is another. There needs to be a good mixture of both.
VA Tech would be the ideal team to add, due to market and decent competition. FSU would keep the ratings high and I think would remain somewhat competitive.
I don't particularly care for the addition of Mizzou. People are shouting "ST.Louis/KC markets", but forget the fact that Mizzzou only became a buzz football name in 2007 when they were in the talks for the NC and flubbed. I don't trust the stability of their football program (strength and recruiting) and don't think that adding a program with little history and unknown future stability will THAT beneficial for the SEC. I would hate to add them only for them to become a bottom dweller of the SEC.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 12:15 am to Henry Jones Jr
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FSU is the most "SEC-like" team out of all the teams being considered for expansion
Posted on 8/14/11 at 12:22 am to chinese58
Even she jumped off the USF bandwagon. Just goes to show they really are fair weather fans.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 12:23 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 3:22 am to TheCheshireHog
so let me get this straight you would rather add VT and have to use FSU as one of your possibly 2 OOC games.If they keep the format the same as current you would play 10 SEC games,FSU,BYE week,1 other OOC or have no bye and play 2 OOC games.Both ways you look at it,it will be really tough.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:18 am to Damn Good Dawg
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But VA Tech is a better fit here. Hell, FSU can't even fill up doak
Uh....you bring a UGA or a UF or an Alabama in there, it will fill up and then some
Posted on 8/14/11 at 8:46 am to TulaneUVA
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Jacksonville location and lack of high tiered teams (top 5 and/or BCS championship contenders) in the 5 or so years coupled with FSU and Miami being mediocre.
How did Jacksonville affect ACCCG game in Tampa?
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:46 am to roadGator
quote:quote:How did Jacksonville affect ACCCG game in Tampa?
Jacksonville location and lack of high tiered teams (top 5 and/or BCS championship contenders) in the 5 or so years coupled with FSU and Miami being mediocre.
How did Tampa affect ACCCG game in Charlotte?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess the place the next game was played had little affect on the curent year.?.? I don't get what your point was. The game has been played in Jacksonville 3 times, Tampa twice, and Charlotte once (second time will be this year). Aside, from the first game and the most recent one (BOTH INVOLVING FSU), ticket sales have been low at all sites.
I think the biggest thing has been FSU and Miami being mediocre. I mean Jacksonville was originally chosen because everyone thought FSU or Miami would be in it every year! VA Tech has been in it 4 out of 6 years (GTech the other 2), but FSU or Miami have only been twice (FSU 2 years both against VA Tech). The first meeting of FSU and VATech in '06 drew a higher TV rating than both the Big12 and the wait for it... SEC. A game between LSU and Georgia no less.
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Fan interest has seemingly decreased since 2005, when novelty and the inclusion of Florida State led to a sellout crowd. The broadcast of that game earned a 5.1 Nielsen rating, better than those of the Big 12 or Southeastern Conference championship games that year. Florida State drew fans locally, and Virginia Tech's rabid fan base ate up tickets, while both programs brought ample cachet for national viewers.
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2005 - FSU and VA Tech. Packed house. Bigger TV rating than LSU vs. Georgia.
2006 - The next season was a dud. Wake vs. GTech.
2007 - The next season you had two distant fan bases one of which isn't rabid. BC and VA Tech played in Jacksonville.
2008 - BC and VA Tech again. This time further away in Tampa.
2009 - Clemson and GTech. Not sure how well this game did; played in Tampa.
2010 - FSU and VA Tech in Charlotte. Again, full house. Second largest attended game, only second to the first meeting of FSU and VA Tech.
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So, again, I don't see what anyone's point is comparing a whole conference to the marquee members of that conference. So what if GTech and BC can't fill a stadium for a championship? FSU and Va Tech don't seem to have a problem getting their people there.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 9:50 am
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:48 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
^ for the TL;DR's
FSU puts butts in the seats. And, people tune in to watch good match-ups over average ones (looking at you Mizzou).
FSU puts butts in the seats. And, people tune in to watch good match-ups over average ones (looking at you Mizzou).
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:49 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
Why are you bitching at me?
I was just saying Jacksonville didn't have a thing to do with shitty attendence. It happened in Tamapa too. Then it happened again in Charlotte.
Jax didn't cause the problem was my point.
I was just saying Jacksonville didn't have a thing to do with shitty attendence. It happened in Tamapa too. Then it happened again in Charlotte.
Jax didn't cause the problem was my point.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:53 am to roadGator
FSU is a no-brainer. Bring em in.
Posted on 8/14/11 at 9:54 am to roadGator
I'm not bitching, I just didn't get your point.
Actually, it didn't. 72,379 in attendance and the place holds 73,778. So, both Jacksonville and Charlotte were packed when FSU and VA Tech played. You're right location has nothing to do with it when the right teams are in it.
So, again my point was, match-up matters. People are trying to condemn FSU because GTech and BC don't get their people to show up. I really don't see how those games are relevant, except to say the ACC has teams (outside of FSU and VA Tech) that don't travel well.
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Then it happened again in Charlotte.
Actually, it didn't. 72,379 in attendance and the place holds 73,778. So, both Jacksonville and Charlotte were packed when FSU and VA Tech played. You're right location has nothing to do with it when the right teams are in it.
So, again my point was, match-up matters. People are trying to condemn FSU because GTech and BC don't get their people to show up. I really don't see how those games are relevant, except to say the ACC has teams (outside of FSU and VA Tech) that don't travel well.
This post was edited on 8/14/11 at 9:56 am
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