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Does the SEC need another Texas school or are the Aggies enough?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:25 pm
If and when an SEC Network is created like that of the Big Ten, will having Texas A&M be enough to get cable operators to add the SEC Network to their line ups in Dallas?
You know that Houston is covered.
You know that Houston is covered.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:27 pm to Chicken
Wow, you're really getting something Conf. expansion threads in today 

Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:30 pm to Chicken
I'm sure A&M is enough for that, but if we can't get a quality program in a decent state (i.e. if we can't get ACC schools) then we would be well served by having 2 schools in TX.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:30 pm to Chicken
What other Texas school would you propose? Texas is the only one worth it and I don't think anyone wants them. Maybe TCU?
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:31 pm to Indiana Tiger
I think most SEC teams, especially in the West have pretty good sized alumni in DFW area. I know Ark/OM/LSU are all well repped
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:32 pm to Hubbhogg
tcu would be the only add, and that is marginal.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:33 pm to Hubbhogg
Someone smarter than me can answer this:
What happens when a market is "fragmented"? In other words - TX markets are now fragmented between B12 and SEC. If Mizzou heads SEC, then the KC market will be SEC B12 as well.
Does that mean anything to these network deals? It seems like everyone is playing a form of "Risk" (board game) but forgetting that other schools have a share in that market. In other words...just because the SEC has ATM, doesn't mean that all the college football eyeballs in TX will watch SEC games.
What happens when a market is "fragmented"? In other words - TX markets are now fragmented between B12 and SEC. If Mizzou heads SEC, then the KC market will be SEC B12 as well.
Does that mean anything to these network deals? It seems like everyone is playing a form of "Risk" (board game) but forgetting that other schools have a share in that market. In other words...just because the SEC has ATM, doesn't mean that all the college football eyeballs in TX will watch SEC games.

Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:35 pm to GulfCoastPoke
i dont think you are trying to get all the eyeballs you really just want your foot in the door.
sec produces the best product so casual fans will tune in to see it
if you love big 12 you arent watching sec no matter what as long as you have the option
sec produces the best product so casual fans will tune in to see it
if you love big 12 you arent watching sec no matter what as long as you have the option
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:39 pm to jcole4lsu
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tcu would be the only add, and that is marginal.
Agreed. TCU is a trendy team right now. They were abysmal in the old SWC days, and they will return to their roots eventually.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:43 pm to Chicken
If the logic the SEC has expressed about expansion; that being quality program + TV households; then I would say "no". The Aggies bring the big markets of Houston, Dallas/Fort Worth and San Antonio with them, along with the rest of Texas and elsewhere. Other than UT, no other Texas school does that.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:46 pm to Chicken
I don't think the SEC would see a huge difference in adding another Texas school, but there are folks a lot smarter than me making those decisions.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:51 pm to GulfCoastPoke
I would like to know where most Mizzou alum live...and would they care enough about football to clamor to get cable companies to add an SEC Network to their lineup.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:55 pm to jcole4lsu
Texas is the only one that would move the meter and they are certainly unlikely as they won't give up their network and want to run everything. If Texas would play by the rules in the SEC they would be a fantastic add but they will never do so. Their ego is also far too big to "follow" A&M to the SEC.
TCU sounds good in theory but it's not pretty when you unwrap the package. They have only 75k alumni. They have a newly rebuilt stadium that they are excited about because NOW it has 43k but it has the potential of having 50k someday! A couple of bad seasons and they would fall into the abyss, they simply have very little base of support. In truth SMU is probably a better add than TCU for the long term and that isn't saying much.
Baylor is obviously not a good option but I can detail that if need be. Tech is also a poor option because they are literally "a state away" from where most of the population is in Texas and they can only draw even a modest crowd for big games. They would add about what Miss State does in terms of value (no offense to Miss State).
In the Texas it is UT, A&M, and then a huge step down to everyone else in terms of what matters on re-alignment. With the large proportion of SEC grads in Texas along with A&M that really is enough.
TCU sounds good in theory but it's not pretty when you unwrap the package. They have only 75k alumni. They have a newly rebuilt stadium that they are excited about because NOW it has 43k but it has the potential of having 50k someday! A couple of bad seasons and they would fall into the abyss, they simply have very little base of support. In truth SMU is probably a better add than TCU for the long term and that isn't saying much.
Baylor is obviously not a good option but I can detail that if need be. Tech is also a poor option because they are literally "a state away" from where most of the population is in Texas and they can only draw even a modest crowd for big games. They would add about what Miss State does in terms of value (no offense to Miss State).
In the Texas it is UT, A&M, and then a huge step down to everyone else in terms of what matters on re-alignment. With the large proportion of SEC grads in Texas along with A&M that really is enough.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:56 pm to Chicken
I like Rice as the second team. Rice great academics like vandy. good at baseball like vandy. Rice has no woo factor at all but gives the west a easier win game instead of going of conf. If not rice then TCU for a second team in texas.
Posted on 9/29/11 at 3:57 pm to aggressor
quote:can you explain this?
In truth SMU is probably a better add than TCU
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:00 pm to Chicken
A&M is it...good catch, no use watering down the product. We only need 1 premier program in Florida, same for TX.
And everyone stop with the TCU garbage...how old are you? The horny frogs have only been relevant for a couple of years, cannot sell out their stadium and are a coaching change away from being irrelevant once again.
Rice, SMU...? Why not "steal" Texas State from the WAC while we are at it. Good grief...

And everyone stop with the TCU garbage...how old are you? The horny frogs have only been relevant for a couple of years, cannot sell out their stadium and are a coaching change away from being irrelevant once again.
Rice, SMU...? Why not "steal" Texas State from the WAC while we are at it. Good grief...


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Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:01 pm to Chicken
quote:
can you explain this?
Straight Cash homey
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:03 pm to Hubbhogg
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Agreed. TCU is a trendy team right now. They were abysmal in the old SWC days, and they will return to their roots eventually.
Trendy... For 13 years.
TCU also was a factor on the national level before they became terrible in the last 3 decades of the SWC, so really we went from strong roots (some of the strongest in the country, see the Davey O'Brien award) to a bad few decades, to almost a decade and a half of winning. Since the late 90's, there's been quite a culture change and lots of money is being spent on athletics--I doubt that stops anytime soon, and spending leads to success. TCU in the 90s wouldn't have spent a million bucks to upgrade concessions in the stadium, much less 160 million to demolish the stadium and build a new one as they've just done. Our only athletic facility that isn't less than a decade old is the basketball arena, and that will get the dynamite once the stadium is done.
Speaking of going back to roots, is Arkansas going to finally win something now that they have a conference mate in the state of Texas again? Who would've thought back in the day when Arkansas bolted for the SEC, that little old losing history TCU would have twice as many BCS bowls and a Rose Bowl trophy, while Arkansas hasn't even won a conference championship, much less a BCS game. Come to think of it, for a few days there TCU had two BCS bowls and one win while the piggies hadn't even played in one yet (though thats a little nit picky since it was the same bowl season). It's weird how things can work out...
Posted on 9/29/11 at 4:07 pm to LSUtah
lol @ the rice comments. zeeeeeeeeero chance ever.
ever.
ever.
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