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Posted on 8/30/11 at 2:05 am to Cash
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Glad I'm not the only one that hates Mizzou.
You are probably in the majority, but I don't quite get the hate from a new member perspective. They will have a decent football team this year, solid in basketball, not a geographic sore thumb, nearby population centers and not that it really matters to the SEC, has a decent academic reputation. I like FSU from a competitive position, but UNC, UVA or Maryland, people are kidding themselves if they think they will join the SEC.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 3:47 am to stapuffmarshy
I lived in DC for 10 yrs. VaTech sells out 80k FexEx Field while UMd can't sell out 50k Byrd Stadium. College football doesn't get much attention on the local news. UMd get more basketball attention than VaTech, but Georgetown dominates college bball coverage. SEC wants a football school. Maryland is a basketball school. Maryland also fails first question on SEC application.... "what year did your state cede from the Union?"
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:12 am to RogerTheShrubber
shite I meat to say doesn't hate Mizzou. I wouldn't mind them at all.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 9:16 am to Latarian
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Maryland
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Mizzou
Although, is only a 2 hour drive for me to go see LSU play there.
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UNC
Meh. They do have an SEC-style defense [badass].
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Va Tech
Meh
what happened to Fla St?
That would have been epic! This post was edited on 8/30/11 at 9:19 am
Posted on 8/30/11 at 12:51 pm to WoodlandsAg07
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I have lots of family in DC. I have never met a Maryland fan or alum and don't see a ton of Maryland stuff around. I've met a ton of VT alums and see VT stuff everywhere. I have no idea on the actual numbers or anything, just personal experience. VT is a much better cultural fit with fans and their support also, though I know that probably means very little in all this.
I grew up in DC and the rise of love for VT in the area is a new thing(post Vick era). To say its more of a cultural fit is nonsense b/c Northern VA which is the market and chunk of VT fans your talking about are not southern what so ever
Posted on 8/30/11 at 2:54 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I lived in DC for five years. There is no college that will "deliver" the college football DC.
DC is a pro sports town. Redskins are BY FAR the most popular team in the area. Nothing else is even close. As for college football, VT may be the most popular team, but that isn't saying much b/c they are a tiny fraction of the market b/c there are people from all over the country in DC and no college within an hour of the city is a football powerhouse. Georgetown basketball is pretty popular as is Maryland basketball. Maryland football did get a bump that few years when they were decent, but it wasn't anything like they controlled the entire market.
People in the South often don't understand that in the mid-atlantic and northeast NFL just kills college football for popularity.
DC is a pro sports town. Redskins are BY FAR the most popular team in the area. Nothing else is even close. As for college football, VT may be the most popular team, but that isn't saying much b/c they are a tiny fraction of the market b/c there are people from all over the country in DC and no college within an hour of the city is a football powerhouse. Georgetown basketball is pretty popular as is Maryland basketball. Maryland football did get a bump that few years when they were decent, but it wasn't anything like they controlled the entire market.
People in the South often don't understand that in the mid-atlantic and northeast NFL just kills college football for popularity.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 3:07 pm to GumBro Jackson
GumBro Jackson's assessment of the DC market is pretty accurate.
As to the statement that Va Tech can sell out FedEx, I'm not sure you can draw conclusions based on one game every few years against USC or Boise. They doubtless have many fans in the DC area and they gobble up the available seats at Maryland if the Terps are having a bad year, but I doubt Va Tech or Maryland could deliver DC as a market for the SEC.
As to the statement that Va Tech can sell out FedEx, I'm not sure you can draw conclusions based on one game every few years against USC or Boise. They doubtless have many fans in the DC area and they gobble up the available seats at Maryland if the Terps are having a bad year, but I doubt Va Tech or Maryland could deliver DC as a market for the SEC.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 3:53 pm to winyahpercy
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I lived in DC for 10 yrs. VaTech sells out 80k FexEx Field while UMd can't sell out 50k Byrd Stadium. College football doesn't get much attention on the local news. UMd get more basketball attention than VaTech, but Georgetown dominates college bball coverage. SEC wants a football school. Maryland is a basketball school. Maryland also fails first question on SEC application.... "what year did your state cede from the Union?"
Virginia Tech sticks out like a sore thumb as the obvious 14th team. They make so much sense when you look carefully at everything.
1) Strong/Solid football program with very respectable programs in the other major sports - Check
2) Strong new TV markets bordering current SEC footprint. The state of Virginia has strong Va Tech support and Va Tech is at least as popular in DC as Maryland is - Check
3) Most importantly this adds an Eastern team with a strong alumni base and very solid academics. This East addition allows the SEC to keep the exact same scheduling format it has now. The ONLY difference is that every SEC team will simply replace 1 of their non-conference cupcakes with the new team in their division. How beautiful it would be to not have to blow up the divisions?
Add A&M to the West and Va Tech to the East and BE DONE WITH EXPANSION FOR GOOD!!! 14 teams is plenty enough for a super conference without. 16 teams is too much and ruins scheduling.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:07 pm to Govt Tide
you have no idea what you are talking about VT in the SEC would be average at best with a 10 win season every 5 to 6 years. Their other sports wouldn't contribute a thing
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:15 pm to GumBro Jackson
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DC is a pro sports town. Redskins are BY FAR the most popular team in the area. Nothing else is even close
Thats for sure and it still has so many people from other areas with other pro and college loyalties.
VT does not own that market at all, hell 3 or 4 of their games were not on local tv in the DC area. Yet every WVU game was on ESPN or MASN so go figure. Penn State, WVU also have large numbers in the area and you can't forget the countless amounts of SEC fans in there. People in DC watch SEC football regardless.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:24 pm to winyahpercy
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I lived in DC for 10 yrs.
good.
Look I'm not into getting into things on a message board. But my job involves media consulting and research for the media themselves.
The research we did for a client in the DC market, a radio station, showed Maryland as the college team in the area. UVa a distant second. G'Town is a big basketball entity in CBB but the college TEAM of choice is Maryland. VaTech barely a blip. And yes it's a Pro Town first....but I stand by my numbers
If I wouldn't get fired I'd post the report
but it's not really that serious, peace out
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:25 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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People in DC watch SEC football regardless.
Which is all the more reason that any new DC viewers that Va Tech may bring is simply gravy. The state of Virginia itself is a good enough TV market to pursue even if you don't add any of the DC metro. UNC would be the absolute best but that has 0% chance of happening. VT people are a solid 50/50 on joining the SEC and are far less attached politically to the ACC than any of the North Carolina teams.
If push came to shove I don't see UVA people putting up a huge fight to keep Va Tech considering they didn't want them coming with them to the ACC in the first place. There are too many Big East teams the ACC could raid to find a replacement anyway for them to protest too harshly to kill a deal
Posted on 8/30/11 at 4:31 pm to Govt Tide
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If push came to shove I don't see UVA people putting up a huge fight to keep Va Tech considering they didn't want them coming with them to the ACC in the first place.
you have no idea what you are talking about, when VT pissed and moaned about not getting their initial ACC invite they sued the ACC with other Big East schools and when big brother UVA was used as the vote to stop expansion completely politics forced VT into the picture and has attached the two schools at the hip.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 5:06 pm to winyahpercy
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Maryland also fails first question on SEC application.... "what year did your state cede from the Union?"
Kentucky???
Posted on 8/30/11 at 5:24 pm to StraightCashHomey21
I realize you desperately want WVU to get the invite as the 14th team but it probably isn't going to happen and no amount of Va Tech bashing is going to put WVU higher on the SEC's wanted listed.
West Virginia has fine people and a nice program but your entire TV market is roughly the same size as the Birmingham and Montgomery TV markets combined. Heck, if the SEC added the Virginia Tidewater TV market alone it would equal the entire West Virginia TV market.
West Virginia has fine people and a nice program but your entire TV market is roughly the same size as the Birmingham and Montgomery TV markets combined. Heck, if the SEC added the Virginia Tidewater TV market alone it would equal the entire West Virginia TV market.
Posted on 8/30/11 at 6:13 pm to Govt Tide
this has nothing to do with WVU im just setting some facts straight about VT being a Virginia native and have lived in the DC area for 23 years
Posted on 8/30/11 at 6:55 pm to Latarian
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UNC please.
Its not UNC I can gaurantee you that. Unc and Duke will be together until the end of time.
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