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re: Congrats to the Aggies - official Dr D eats crow thread
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
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a. it would be hilarious to watch TAMUdo all of this to get approval to move to the SEC, only to have the SEC go lol wut?
Don't tease us like that.
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:43 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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Word going around is that A&M leaves, the Big 12 will be looking at UH, BYU, and Air Force as expansion possibilities.
What a horrible, horrible conference that would be.....
ive heard people saying they think the Big 12 will be done in 5 years if that were to happen.
With the fault lines that were exposed by last year's conference-shuffling and the subsequent issues caused by the Texas-ESPN marriage over the Longhorn Network, I'd say that the Big 12 is probably done in 2 years unless something major changes.
A&M leaving is just one domino. If some of the lesser schools find a soft landing elsewhere, it could end up being down to Texas and a few schools that no one else will take like Iowa State.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:56 am to teke184
i thought AtM backed off the jumping ship talk after Texas said they wouldn't air high school games on their new network?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:02 am to Rohan2Reed
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i thought AtM backed off the jumping ship talk after Texas said they wouldn't air high school games on their new network?
Conventional wisdom is that they were already pot-committed and that their entire base wanted the move. It is very healthy for both Texas and A&M to be permanently divided and to not play again and for the bitching on both sides to stop. Ultimately, the reasons don't matter anymore because it has been announced as a done deal.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:02 am to Rohan2Reed
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i thought AtM backed off the jumping ship talk after Texas said they wouldn't air high school games on their new network?
So did everyone else.
I think the issue is that the A&M Board of Regents found out that it would be easier to extract themselves from the Big 12, politically, than they thought, so now is the time to shite or get off the pot.
Better to do so now when they can end up where they want to go than scrambling to do so later when they may not have as much leverage.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:08 am to teke184
For those of you wondering why some of us expected there would be political roadblocks (which have seemingly disappeared), here is what one state politician said last summer:
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"Committee chairman Dan Branch, R-Dallas, also called a hearing last year when it appeared the Big 12 could break up with Texas and Texas Tech headed to the Pac-10 and Texas A&M headed to the SEC. But the Big 12 came together before the scheduled hearing. Just got off the phone with Branch about what he wants to get out of the hearing with Texas A&M officials. "We want to be in position to have a discussion about a potential move to a new athletic conference for one of our major universities - that it’s in the best interest of the state of Texas," Branch said. "There’s a lot of resources in play. These athletic programs have a lot of dollars involved with the TV contracts and the funding that comes from a particular conference. So we want to make sure if there was a decision to go a different direction at Texas A&M, it’s the regents’ job to make sure this is in the best interest of Texas A&M as one university in that system. And it’s the Legislature’s job to make sure it’s in the best interest in the state of Texas." I asked Branch if the committee found that such a move wasn't in the best interest of Texas, what could the Legislature do about it? "Ultimately, these are public institutions," Branch said. "The Legislature is responsible for funding and directing the ultimate policy of our public institutions. "So I think it’s important that the Legislature be advised. And so I want to create an opportunity on a timely basis to give the members of the House of Representatives the opportunity to ask questions and make sure they felt like this was in the best interest of the state of Texas. "There’s an argument that going to the SEC would be a good thing so that Texas’ biggest schools would have a footprint in two major conferences, so I’m going into this with an open mind. But it seems to me it’s the regents’ responsibility to do what’s in the best interest of Texas A&M as the flagship of that system. And it’s the Legislature’s responsibility to make sure it’s in the best interest of the state of Texas." Branch said there are really two points of interest that are critical to the state's view of a possible move by Texas A&M to the SEC. "Part of that goes to you don’t want another major conference coming undone by the action of one," Branch said. "So there’s two parts to this. One, is this a good move for Texas A&M? "And, more importantly, from our vantage point would there be a negative consequence to the University of Texas or Texas Tech University and even our private schools like Baylor ? what effect it could have on them?"
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 11:10 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:08 am to Rohan2Reed
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i thought AtM backed off the jumping ship talk after Texas said they wouldn't air high school games on their new network?
This was not a main priority of the deal anyway. The Texas grab for conference games on the LHN and their willingness to strong arm member institutions along with ESPN is far more important than the high school games. Even more of a sticking point than both of those, however, is A&Ms ability to be in a stable conference with the SEC. The A&M brass sees major conferences expanding and the Big XII ultimately being the major conference that dissolves. The LHN has guaranteed this.
The high school games were a pie in the sky idea for the LHN anyway and even the people in the Texas AD knew that.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 11:11 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:09 am to Dr Drunkenstein
... and they're calling a meeting again. Unfortunately, for them they can do nothing.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:20 am to GerryDiNardo
The Aggies announce this thing is 100% done and now the legislature is meeting.....what gives?
https://www.star-telegram.com/2011/08/12/3286361/legislature-getting-involved-in.html
https://www.star-telegram.com/2011/08/12/3286361/legislature-getting-involved-in.html
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The Texas A&M-to-the-SEC discussion just turned political. The Texas legislature has gotten involved. The House Committee on Higher Education has scheduled an Aug. 16 meeting to “discuss matters pertaining to higher education, including college athletics.” The information is posted on the committee’s website. It will be a public hearing. The same committee met last year to discuss potential state funding implications and other ramifications of the Texas-based members of the Big 12 splintering off in different directions when the league’s future was in peril last June. The hearing will be held six days before a scheduled A&M board of regents meeting on Aug. 22 that could include discussion or action on the school’s potential move to the SEC.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:22 am to Dr Drunkenstein
There's a difference between some blow hard politician saying something and actually being able to stop things.
Its not in the interest of other schools to keep UT and A&M from joining different conferences. Most of what he said is a knee jerk reactionby some self important bozo. They can probably get some conscession, but if last year A&M wanted to go SEC, while UT and TT went Pac 16 would he have stopped it over BU?
Its not in the interest of other schools to keep UT and A&M from joining different conferences. Most of what he said is a knee jerk reactionby some self important bozo. They can probably get some conscession, but if last year A&M wanted to go SEC, while UT and TT went Pac 16 would he have stopped it over BU?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:26 am to Dr Drunkenstein
This was coming all along.
Branch just wants testimony from Loftin on why they are leaving and the economic impact it will have on A&M from a university standpoint and city standpoint.
I've heard that there will be a team added to the Big 12 in our place, but can't confirm that.
Branch just wants testimony from Loftin on why they are leaving and the economic impact it will have on A&M from a university standpoint and city standpoint.
I've heard that there will be a team added to the Big 12 in our place, but can't confirm that.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:28 am to Ball Gravy
My prediction:
-A&M to SEC
-Houston to Big12
-____(someone from the ACC) to SEC
-____(someone from BigEast) to ACC
-after that, this round of conference expansion settles down without much more movement for a couple years. As much as people claim the Big12 is doomed for failure, I actually disagree. It's a very unstable conference, but I see it staying together for a while actually while the LHN gets its sea legs.
-A&M to SEC
-Houston to Big12
-____(someone from the ACC) to SEC
-____(someone from BigEast) to ACC
-after that, this round of conference expansion settles down without much more movement for a couple years. As much as people claim the Big12 is doomed for failure, I actually disagree. It's a very unstable conference, but I see it staying together for a while actually while the LHN gets its sea legs.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 11:30 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:28 am to Ball Gravy
#1 If this things is 100% done, why does Loftin even need to show up?
#2 What happens if the President of the University of Texas says, "We are 100% committed to the Big 12 conference if Texas A&M stays but if they leave, we have an invitation from another conference and Baylor and Texas Tech are not invited."
#2 What happens if the President of the University of Texas says, "We are 100% committed to the Big 12 conference if Texas A&M stays but if they leave, we have an invitation from another conference and Baylor and Texas Tech are not invited."
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:32 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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If this things is 100% done
FWIW, I don't believe it's 100% done. There's probably a verbal agreement, but the pen hasn't actually struck paper yet ... SEC hasn't even voted, A&M BOR haven't even voted, no contracts yet signed.
So while it's pretty much a verbal done deal IMO, the technical stuff is not yet done.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:35 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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#2 What happens if the President of the University of Texas says, "We are 100% committed to the Big 12 conference if Texas A&M stays but if they leave, we have an invitation from another conference and Baylor and Texas Tech are not invited."
more fun cartoons of a baylor bear on a cross?
I kinda think texas is better off staying put or going independent than joining the pac or big 1G... long damn commute for a school that plays a ton of sports...
and the idea of having to go from playing in texas to ohio or michigan in november? no thank you sir
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:38 am to molsusports
i hope UT goes independent then all their rivals and any other good teams refuse to schedule them
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:40 am to molsusports
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I kinda think texas is better off staying put or going independent than joining the pac or big 1G... long damn commute for a school that plays a ton of sports... and the idea of having to go from playing in texas to ohio or michigan in november? no thank you sir
Texas really doesn't play that many sports which travel and has plenty of $ to cover travel expenses for the ones that do......and the weather in Ohio & Michigan doesn't get horrific until December. I'll admit my bias - I want Texas in the Big 10.
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i hope UT goes independent then all their rivals and any other good teams refuse to schedule them
Texas will be fine.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:41 am to Dr Drunkenstein
I wonder what a Texas and notre dame conference would look like?
UT
ND
OU
FSU
Miami
VT
BYU
Missouri
Okie st
Kansas
Maryland
Rutgers
Georgia tech
Texas tech
Some combination of those?
UT
ND
OU
FSU
Miami
VT
BYU
Missouri
Okie st
Kansas
Maryland
Rutgers
Georgia tech
Texas tech
Some combination of those?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:47 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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and has plenty of $ to cover travel expenses for the ones that do
granted - but covering those expenses cuts into the profit margin Texas seems to have so regularly pursued
And I think it would be faster to travel to Paris from Austin than it would be to Oregon State or PSU - so the idea of choosing that is a bit of a "wow, really?" to me
I guess it just says something about Texas culturally that they view themselves as a match for the Big 1G
Posted on 8/12/11 at 11:56 am to molsusports
Beebe basically just told a&m to go frick itself.
LINK
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COLLEGE STATION – Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe has told Texas A&M that Texas holds the key to the long-term future of the Big 12, and that the Big 12 would survive without the Aggies, according to an A&M official.
The Big 12 also believes the University of Houston would be a viable candidate to replace the Aggies, the A&M official said. All signs point to the Aggies bolting the Big 12 for the Southeastern Conference. The A&M regents are meeting on Aug. 22 and an announcement about the SEC might follow soon after.
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