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re: Congrats to the Aggies - official Dr D eats crow thread
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:47 am to gatorrocks
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:47 am to gatorrocks
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2) UF will not let them
Why is that? I keep hearing this, but what is the reasoning behind it?
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Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:52 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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2) UF will not let them
Why is that? I keep hearing this, but what is the reasoning behind it?
there is a certain contingent of Florida folks who think that letting FSU into the SEC helps FSU and by inference hurts Florida
personally I think that is nonsense - this isn't an Ole Miss and MSU situation where it would be better to have a single flagship school in a relatively small and poor state - this is Florida, and enormous state with tons of money and recruits
IMO Florida and FSU will excel when they have outstanding coaches in place - and will drop down closer to teh middle of the pack when they have lower quality coaches. Stanford being good doesn't keep Cal and UCLA from being good - a lack of outstanding coaching keeps UCLA and Cal from being good
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:52 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Both would share equally on 1st & 2nd tier football rights but would have their own 3rd tier rights instead of using the Big Ten network
I don't see how that could possibly work without ND reorganizing their contract with NBC.
The deal with ND is far more prohibitive than even the LHN which is going to prevent Texas from being a part of another conference without some severe limitations put on their television rights (namely agreeing to 0 conference games on their network). I think the likely scenario is the Big 12-3 picks up UH and continues until the PAC-12 makes a push for adding Tech, OU and OK State making Texas indy.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:55 am to GerryDiNardo
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I think the likely scenario is the Big 12-3 picks up UH and continues until the PAC-12 makes a push for adding Tech, OU and OK State making Texas indy.
Who will team #4 be?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:55 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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Why is that? I keep hearing this, but what is the reasoning behind it?
To be honest, not 100% sure. But all the insiders say the same thing.
IMO, it's because the SEC is a better league (football wise) then the ACC, so it's a selling point to recruits, tv contracts, etc. In essence, FSU would make more money as part of the SEC. I believe UF doesn't want that. Nor would FSU if they were in the same situation.
Not that I care at all. FSU and UF play every year anyways.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 9:57 am to molsusports
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there is a certain contingent of Florida folks who think that letting FSU into the SEC helps FSU and by inference hurts Florida
personally I think that is nonsense -
I agree. There are only BS excuses. FSU would be good for the SEC.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 10:00 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:00 am to RedHawk
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Could be the other way around with Texas and ND scrambling to find a conference. I don't think there is any way possible that a solid conference like the B1G or SEC would offer any concessions to get teams to join. If anything, I think Texas and ND would be the ones to offer concessions for the right to join such a stable conference.
Just like everything else in life, this is all about $. The national eyeballs that ND can bring and the massive in-state TV markets that Texas can deliver are both unique.
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Some pressure by pols with Baylor ties was threatened to make sure BU got that spot, but that's different from stopping UT and/or A&M from doing what they want
Last summer, both Texas and A&M wanted out of the Big 12 and it looked like Baylor would be left out of the Pac 16. The deal got killed by what the Pac commish Larry Scott called a "tsunami of political support" to keep Baylor from being abandoned. I thought the same thing would happen this summer and that is where I was very wrong. Something changed in the dynamics of Texas state politics and I am very curious to find out what happened.
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although both are powerful schools I'm not sure why ND would base their decision on Texas
That is what is being said/rumored. It could be wrong. The ADs from both schools are tight and at a luncheon a couple of days ago the Texas AD, who has been in his job for 30 years and who almost never tips his hand, said that if A&M left, Texas had a solution that involved ND.
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TT is one of the 40 most profitable AD's, they will have a home somewhere, Pac 16 maybe.
If you check the Tech boards, they have gone form optimistic to pessimistic about the Pac 12 inviting them. The academic snobs don't want another lower tier university and Tech is truly horrible.
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I think the likely scenario is the Big 12-3 picks up UH
The Texas AD hates U of H for a variety of reasons and it has been said that he will eject Texas before he would be in a conference with Houston.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:02 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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The Texas AD hates U of H for a variety of reasons and it has been said that he will eject Texas before he would be in a conference with Houston.
Word going around is that A&M leaves, the Big 12 will be looking at UH, BYU, and Air Force as expansion possibilities.
BYU and Air Force both make sense from a TV market perspective and BYU would probably be agreeable with coming in as long as they get to keep their own personal network, which was the reason they ditched the MWC.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:03 am to molsusports
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molsusports
I tend to agree. Both play each other every year anyway; so, it's not like the recruits they go after don't know about both schools. They are recruiting many of the same areas. Both routinely put up top recruiting classes even though they don't play in the same conference. The only real argument I guess would be FSU getting more money. I'm sure the new SEC deal would pay out much more than whatever the ACC pays out.
But, wouldn't UF oppose pretty much any team from the East then? I mean wouldn't putting GA Tech or Clemson in the East have a similar affect? I just don't see the big deal, I guess. Frankly, I don't care if FSU goes to the SEC or not, but I just don't see why UF fans seem to think UF would try their best to block it. Does UF even have that kind of pull anyway?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:05 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
Dr. D.... do you have a gauge on the feelings inside Belmont? I know you're in DC but do you have people that you talk to inside the AD?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:06 am to gatorrocks
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To be honest, not 100% sure. But all the insiders say the same thing.
IMO, it's because the SEC is a better league (football wise) then the ACC, so it's a selling point to recruits, tv contracts, etc. In essence, FSU would make more money as part of the SEC. I believe UF doesn't want that. Nor would FSU if they were in the same situation.
Not that I care at all. FSU and UF play every year anyways.
Yeah, I hear the same thing. I agree with you though; the only real argument is more money for FSU. But, it seems that argument can be applied to any school.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:09 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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The deal got killed by what the Pac commish Larry Scott called a "tsunami of political support" to keep Baylor from being abandoned.
that makes a convienent excuse, but its not the whole story. Besides it was not just poltical pressure to add BU. If all parties wanted the Pac 16 deal, BU could not have stopped it. There where other hang ups. Do you really think BU has more poltical power than UT/A&M/TT et al combined? Did BU orchestrate 9/11 and the Kennedy Assaciation also?
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:14 am to Ball Gravy
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Word going around is that A&M leaves, the Big 12 will be looking at UH, BYU, and Air Force as expansion possibilities.
What a horrible, horrible conference that would be.....
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Dr. D.... do you have a gauge on the feelings inside Belmont? I know you're in DC but do you have people that you talk to inside the AD?
I have no idea about the feelings inside Belmont. I don't know a soul with any insider knowledge.
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If all parties wanted the Pac 16 deal, BU could not have stopped it. There where other hang ups. Do you really think BU has more poltical power than UT/A&M/TT et al combined?
No......but, last summer, the Baylor front was united while there were a lot of old timers on all fronts who are afraid of change and wanted to keep tradition alliances in place. Still, the most surprising thing to me this summer is that Baylor, and everyone connected to them, is as quiet as a church mouse. Texas will be fine, Tech has 50/50 shot to find a BCS home but Baylor looks to be fricked - and they aren't making a peep. I just with I knew the whole story.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:25 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Word going around is that A&M leaves, the Big 12 will be looking at UH, BYU, and Air Force as expansion possibilities.
What a horrible, horrible conference that would be.....
What other possibilities are left which are better than those three?
The Big 12 is the "sick man" stuck between the Pac 12, Big Ten, and SEC. They're not stealing one of those BCS conferences' teams and I don't see them expanding way outside their footprint like the Big East did with TCU.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:26 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Last summer, both Texas and A&M wanted out of the Big 12 and it looked like Baylor would be left out of the Pac 16. The deal got killed by what the Pac commish Larry Scott called a "tsunami of political support" to keep Baylor from being abandoned. I thought the same thing would happen this summer and that is where I was very wrong. Something changed in the dynamics of Texas state politics and I am very curious to find out what happened.
I think that's misguided. While that pressure existed, I think what ultimately killed the PAC 16 deal was A&M talking to the SEC.. Mike Silve showed up in College Station and the next thing you know the PAC 16 deal is gone and everyone wants to get the Big XII band back together. Not to say the pressure wasn't there, but I don't think it was the deciding factor.
The reason the pressure is having next to no effect now is that Texas legislature will not meet again until 2013. The legislature will go through an election cycle in 2012 so any attempts to get entangled with this could be disastrous for a candidate. Any legislative meeting prior to 2013 would have to be called by the governor himself which is highly unlikely as he's 1.) a former A&M yell leader and 2.) too busy on the presidential campaign to care about silly athletics.
Any texas higher-ed board meetings are those drummed up by politicians being funded by Baylor dollars. The Baylor money who doesn't want to see Baylor get screwed should this go down as they clearly have the most to lose. The meetings, however, mean nothing and have no power other than to sling a little mud in A&M's direction.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 10:29 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:29 am to rollthatback
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Remember slive's recent "I could get to 16 in 15 minutes " comment. He obviously isn't worried about getting other teams to sign up
It's the SEC and we're in a "golden age" so I doubt it will be hard to find suitors. With that being said I'm hoping for Clemson or FSU in the East.
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:30 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Word going around is that A&M leaves, the Big 12 will be looking at UH, BYU, and Air Force as expansion possibilities.
What a horrible, horrible conference that would be.....
ive heard people saying they think the Big 12 will be done in 5 years if that were to happen.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:31 am to Archie Bengal Bunker
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But, wouldn't UF oppose pretty much any team from the East then? I mean wouldn't putting GA Tech or Clemson in the East have a similar affect? I just don't see the big deal, I guess. Frankly, I don't care if FSU goes to the SEC or not, but I just don't see why UF fans seem to think UF would try their best to block it. Does UF even have that kind of pull anyway?
Not really. I think someone like Clemson would probably TRY to get blocked by SC but they don't have the pull that UF does.
Sure, UF has the pull. Any of the top tier SEC programs do. Those who make the money, have the pull.
Would I care if FSU came to the SEC? No. They're going to be FSU whether they are in the SEC or the ACC. I'd prefer it so that FSU has a harder time winning more games.
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 10:32 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:35 am to Dr Drunkenstein
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Just like everything else in life, this is all about $.
Which is why schools like Texas and ND might be wanting to join the B1G to get more money from an already stable conference. Texas may join the B1G, but it will be by B1G rules that they join and not the other way around.
Who would have more bargaining power if Texas is left scrambling for a conference?
This post was edited on 8/12/11 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/12/11 at 10:36 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
Hopefully it wont exist after this year
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