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re: 14 Team SEC Schedule/ Permanent Opponents

Posted on 10/24/11 at 9:43 am to
Posted by redandblack
Member since Nov 2010
73 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 9:43 am to
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I wouldn't mind getting rid of the permanent opponents altogether. Don't think its fair to make some teams play Florida Or Alabama every year while someone gets Vandy.


Ole Miss doesn't want Vandy anymore either I bet
Posted by twk
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jul 2011
2800 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 10:41 am to
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Missouri won't go to the East. not only would it be a burden on Missouri to travel further, but on the other SEC east schools that have to travel to Missouri. SC and Arkansas have been paired as permanent rivals since the last expansion and its been nothing special because it's such a long trip. i expect that Auburn will move to the east and a 6-2-1 schedule as you propose will allow Alabama to play both Auburn & Tennessee every year.
You haven't looked at a map. The SEC East is a bit of a misnomer--it's as much the SEC North as it is the SEC East. If Missouri ends up with Arkansas as its cross divisional rival (and that seems likely), football travel will actually be less for them as a member of the East than the West. The travel burden for the other East and West schools is close enough as to not be a factor.

The SEC isn't going to go to 2 permanent rivals--they would eliminate them altogether but for the loss of Alabama-UT and Auburn-UGA. They will play 6-1-1 until the TV folks make it worth their money to play 9 games, then go 6-1-2, allowing each school to completely cycle through the other division home-and-home within a six year period (as opposed to merely cycling through either home or away in that same six year period with an 8 game schedule).
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61231 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 11:25 am to
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Let the best team host the SEC title game.


how do you determine who the best team is if both teams are going into the game undefeated?
Posted by sfury
Member since Oct 2011
285 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 11:57 am to
"As far as football is concerned, Missouri will have, at the most, 3 road games each year to teams in the east for their fans to travel to. I don't think that is too much of a burden on Missouri or its fans."

We're the new guys on the block and just elated to be here if it does happen. We will most likely just go wherever were told and be happy. I'm sure Mr. Slive has already discussed all of this before Mizzou made it's decision

Having Arkansas as a permanent rival is logical and would seem a great fit since they are a border state. My thoughts are that MU might have put a request in to have Texas A&M as a permanent rival though. Not that they don't want Arkansas but due to the recruiting factor. Just look at Missouri's rivals site and you see 16 players committed for 2012 and 8 of them are from Texas.

Texas A&M would probably not be as interested in MU as a cross division rival because it really isn't a heated rivalry now and we've been in the same conference for years. But then again I think most SEC universities would like TA&M as their permanent rival to open up the Texas recruiting grounds.
Posted by mre
Birmingham
Member since Feb 2009
3124 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 12:03 pm to
BCS ranking or coin flip?
Posted by ronnielee54
Van Buren, Arkansas
Member since Oct 2011
333 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 12:58 pm to
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Why would Missouri go east? It makes much more sense to move Auburn.


Makes more sense to tell Mizzou to frick off and bring in WVU to the east. All problems are solved.
Posted by will0637
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2006
419 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 2:42 pm to
Just go by BCS ranking. That way we always put our best team in the best position to get into the BCS Title game. More $$$ for the conference. The Pac12 is doing it with best conference record but I am not sure about their tiebreaker, probably head-head, then maybe BCS ranking. I say forget that, just go by BCS ranking. Cut to the chase and take our best shot at the BCS Title game every year.
This post was edited on 10/24/11 at 2:43 pm
Posted by will0637
Austin, TX
Member since Dec 2006
419 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 2:50 pm to
Screw it. lets go all out to 16. bring in WVU and Lousiville to the East then TAMU and Mizzou to the West. 9 conference games with one permanent crossover rival. no rivalries lost. The team with the best BCS ranking plays in and hosts the SEC Title game.
This post was edited on 10/24/11 at 2:51 pm
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
83491 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 2:55 pm to
9 conference games will not happen
Posted by Big Kat
Member since Feb 2009
5913 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 3:25 pm to
7 division games and 1 permanent cross? That leaves 1 game for the other 7 cross division opponents. Meaning once every 14 years they would visit your stadium.

16 teams has to have no permanent cross division rivals or do the 4 pod system
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23373 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 3:37 pm to
We need to get rid of permanent opponents so we can actually play the rest of the conference. The whole Bama-UT and AU-UGA thing is just stupid. It holds back the conference.

Also Mizzou to the east is ridiculous. They are the third most western team.

* the only reason we are even having a discussion about permanent cross division games and Mizzou to the east is because of two games out of 33 total conference games. That is ridiculous.
Posted by LC412000
Any location where a plane flies
Member since Mar 2004
16673 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 3:55 pm to
I am ok with LSU having 3 permanent east opponents and I propose they be:

Vanderbilt
Kentucky
Missouri

Posted by ohiovol
Member since Jan 2010
20996 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

We need to get rid of permanent opponents so we can actually play the rest of the conference. The whole Bama-UT and AU-UGA thing is just stupid. It holds back the conference.


Unfortunately for everyone we're holding back, those games mean more to those schools than adding more Big 12 teams, so I don't see that changing.
This post was edited on 10/24/11 at 4:19 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 5:16 pm to
They aren't getting rid of the permanent opponents.

DWI.
Posted by LSULaw2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2008
1734 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 8:01 pm to
I understand your attempt at balance but if permanent rivalries are gonna stay (and in your post suggesting to go to 2 perm rivalries) then I'd think consideration should be made to bring back the LSU-Kentucky Annual Rivalry over LSU/Vandy. I can understand the Kentucky -Miss State rivalry in basketball, but the rival thing can be different for basketball and football.

Auburn wants the East for Georgia, Florida, and Tenn, in which case they would play all three every year while others play weaker teams so I'd think they'd rather Florida or Tenn over Vandy too in your scenario.

Edit: Not saying I'd support this idea, but rather how I'd approach it if it was the only alternative.
This post was edited on 10/24/11 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Ziggy52
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2009
198 posts
Posted on 10/24/11 at 11:35 pm to
Wrong. 3 of the 6 closest SEC schools are in the east.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
28040 posts
Posted on 10/25/11 at 1:38 pm to
I think there will be 1 permanent opponent and rotate the others home and away. Not sure if that will be 2 or 1. My guess would be 2 and do away with a non conference game. If not, you lose LSU UF, UGA Auburn, Tenn Bama, etc. Not losing that.
Posted by Nuts4LSU
Washington, DC
Member since Oct 2003
25468 posts
Posted on 10/25/11 at 3:39 pm to
quote:

Permanent Opponents

LSU ---------- FLORIDA & MISSOURI
BAMA --------- TENN. & SOUTH CAROLINA
AUBURN ------- GEORGIA & VANDY
MISS. ST ----- TENN. & KENTUCKY
ARKANSAS ----- MISSOURI & SOUTH CAROLINA
TEXAS A&M ---- UK & GEORGIA
OLE MISS ----- FLORIDA & VANDY

Just trying to keep every Team with 2 Balanced and Quality Opponents. With a 6-2-1 Schedule.


I don't think we are going to a 9-game schedule.

If we do, we won't use a 6-2-1 format. That would mean only playing the 5 rotating inter-divisional opponents twice every 10 years.

If we did go to 9 games with a 6-2-1 format, it's less likely that Missouri would be our 2nd annual opponent than that Kentucky would be. They were our 2nd annual Eastern team under the old 5-2-1 format.
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