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re: Would you want this OC based on numbers?

Posted on 12/6/10 at 8:07 pm to
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 8:07 pm to
Yeah, and I'd take Gus Malzahn or Marty Mornhinweg, or Tom Moore.

Maybe Sean Payton will want the gig.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 8:09 pm to
I don't even know if I'd want Greg Davis as I don't know enough about him, but talking about him being fired by his bff is kinda silly.

The move was obviously made as more of a PR move than anything. His production as a coach =/= him being fired.
Posted by Angry LLAMA
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 8:09 pm to
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Yeah, and I'd take Gus Malzahn
if youve frequented this board at all in the last 2 days, you would know im driving the malzahn-for-HC-bandwagon full steam ahead.
Posted by Books
BR
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 8:10 pm to
Bc a Boise st or okie lite OC is the same thing right? Let's go to the unemployment line and settle for a guy who couldn't keep a job with his life long friend

if all he was fired for was to appease the fans, surely brown coulda spun it just as you are? Brown ain't exactly staring down the barrell of a gun
This post was edited on 12/6/10 at 8:13 pm
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 8:43 pm to
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Let's go to the unemployment line and settle for a guy who couldn't keep a job with his life long friend


Look at the numbers his offenses have produced and tell me if you sincerely believe the firing was justified.

Mack basically bowed down to the voices who have been begging for this through years and years of top 10 offenses. I'd say that is more on a pathetic fanbase than merited.

He's had one bad year this past decade.

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if all he was fired for was to appease the fans, surely brown coulda spun it just as you are? Brown ain't exactly staring down the barrell of a gun


Why was he fired then?

For turning Colt McCoy into a 3rd round draft pick that looked good when he played this year?

For repeatedly having good offenses?

This is what I'm saying... his firing does not match his production.

It's eerily similar to what Tennessee fans said about Chavis when we picked him up.

But you probably hate Chavis too...


ETA: I think Harsin could be a realistic option, certainly.

If I were Holgorsen, of course I'd want to coach at LSU, but I don't think it's as significant career step as you're trying to make it out to be.
This post was edited on 12/6/10 at 8:45 pm
Posted by drexyl
Mingovia
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 9:00 pm to
the shelf life of almost any coordinator is pretty short as far as fan satisfaction. if he's really good and want sto be a head coach or if hes just plain awful he'll be gone pretty fast. lifelong coordinators are usually despised by the fanbase mainly because of familiarity.
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
21124 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 9:03 pm to
I think more than anything Texas just needs some fresh faces to rejuvenate the base.

GD is the complete fall guy in this situation. GD successfully runs a shotgun option for years, but Mack says last Spring that he wants to run a Big10 Les offense with a shitty OL and no RBs and a with a Texas option QB.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 9:04 pm to
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I think more than anything Texas just needs some fresh faces to rejuvenate the base.



Exactly. I think Davis' resignation has more to do with the length of his tenure rather than his actual production.

quote:

GD is the complete fall guy in this situation. GD successfully runs a shotgun option for years, but Mack says last Spring that he wants to run a Big10 Les offense with a shitty OL and no RBs and a with a Texas option QB.



Did they switch to Pro Style this year?

I don't think I watched Texas play once this year.
Posted by Dodd
Member since Oct 2003
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Posted on 12/6/10 at 9:07 pm to
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Did they switch to Pro Style this year?


Not sure of the exact sequence, but it went something link this.

Spring - Pro Style
Game 1-4 - Pro Style
Game 5-7 - Option
Game 8-12 - Mixture of both
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 10:02 pm to
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These are 5 year averages, all accumulated at some point in the last 10 years.

PPG: 38.12
YPG: 440.99
PYPG: 255.89
RYPG: 185.10

-Numbers accumulated over three different QBs.
-Numbers accumulated in a BCS conference


Crowton 04-08:

PPG: 31.6
YPG: 410
PYPG: 250
RYPG: 160

Thats with 3 different teams and at least 6 different QBs. Not bad yo, not bad.
Posted by The King
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Member since Aug 2005
1586 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 10:16 pm to
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Mack obviously forced his resignation just to appease the fanbase really... his offense was top 10 four of the last five years.
The Greg Davis hate is as hard-core and irrational as the Miles hate. When UT's offense was performing well, it was just because they had awesome players. When anything bad happened, it was Greg Davis's fault. The problems at UT this year were much broader than the offense; their defense quit and gave up huge amounts of points to weak or average teams. No one faulted Muschamp. It was all the offense's part for giving the other teams short fields. I'm not saying that Davis is a great coordinator, but I do think the hate for him was sort of silly.
Posted by Gold Member
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Member since Aug 2004
444 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 10:38 pm to
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Yeah, it's Greg Davis.

He takes endless amounts of shite from Texas fans (and was blamed for every loss they suffered from about 2000 on), but that's pretty good production over a 5 year span.


Dan, don't disagree but Texas does play a very weak OOC schedule and some Big 12 teams play no defense (see Texas Tech under Leach).
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
79863 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 11:30 pm to
To be fair, tow of those QB's were Vince Young and Colt McCoy not exactly something out of nothing
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 11:35 pm to
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Dan, don't disagree but Texas does play a very weak OOC schedule and some Big 12 teams play no defense (see Texas Tech under Leach).


Yeah, this is one thing I'm wondering.

Perhaps Davis made a living off stat padding vs. teams like Rice and then having low scoring days against teams in conference (ala Jimbo Fisher). Of course the numbers are going to drop vs. better competition, but how much is my question.

Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
40723 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 11:36 pm to
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To be fair, tow of those QB's were Vince Young and Colt McCoy not exactly something out of nothing



I'll give you Vince, but McCoy wasn't really a big shot recruit or anything. Pretty low ranked kid out of Texas, that I think may have even been a backburner option for Texas. Of course, he had a fantastic career, but I doubt anyone forecast the success he had as a freshman.
Posted by geauxtigahs87
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2008
26690 posts
Posted on 12/6/10 at 11:42 pm to
The 21 he put up against Saban and the tide did match their season high for the year. And with their backup QB no less
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