re: Who Still Wants the Houston Coach's and Spread Offense?

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and traditional offenses establish more of an identity and win more often than this junk.

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Saints, Patriots, Eagles

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are these really your 3 examples from the NFL?

the pats are a spread team

the saints are close

the eagles are moving that awy

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Hey gimmick offense offense lovers, I didn't abandon this thread. Went to have a drink of whiskey with a friend. My sole point of this thread is that the reason most pro teams do not employ gimmick fun and gun, spread option, and never adapted the wishbone is because balanced running, passing, and traditional offenses establish more of an identity and win more often than this junk. I like the Bama, USC, Arkansas, Stanford, Saints, Patriots, Eagles and other pro style offenses.

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So what did you think of it when Alabama was struggling with the pass against South Carolina and Mark Ingram took every single snap from under center and ran the ball? That's a gimmick. Guess what? It worked.

Southern Cal.... meh whatever.

Arkansas - Threw it 403 and ran it 375 - which includes all 57 of Ryan Mallet's "runs". No back had more than 93 carries. They ran a frickload of plays from the shotgun in 3/4/sometimes 5 wide sets.

Stanford - Ran 497 times and passed 294.

Saints - 515 passes to 436 rushes. You were close on one!

Patriots - 554 passes 447 rushes.

Eagles - 515 passes 374 rushes.

Also, I believe you are confusing the terms "balanced offense" and "pro-style offense" (that which doesn't even fricking exist) with each other.

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Houston runs a gimicky spread

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No they don't. Texas Tech (under Mike Leach), Arizona, Houston, Tulsa, Troy all run the same exact offense with the same terminology. Stephen F Austin runs it as well and had an incredible offense in 1-AA this year. I coach the same offense and know all these coaches and I can tell you that it's NOT a gimmick offense. It has every formation you want, it has all the QB reads, it has a plan and purpose in every thing that it does. Again you're speaking of something you have no clue about. Watching it, playing in it and coaching in it is an all together completely different thing.

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Tulsa, Troy

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Don't know about these two, but I know North Texas uses it as does SMU.

The spread really has two extremes: The Air Raid passing version and the spread option (Oregon uses this and Rich Rodriguez used it at WVU). There is also a more balanced middle ground in which teams incorporate the elements of both into their offense (Florida comes to mind and even Texas does too).

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Don't know about these two, but I know North Texas uses it as does SMU.

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North Texas does what Todd Dodge knows and what he has used. SMU runs the Run and Shoot which is similar but not the same system that Texas Tech or the other programs I listed use. I'm telling you, Troy and Tulsa run the same offense. I know because I've had conversations with both OC's and been to conference meetings where all coaches that run our offensive system come to. You can run and pass the same concepts out of any formation. All the schools I listed are running the old air raid but with much more stuff added to it that has made it a more well rounded offense. It's also an offense that you can tailor to your personal if need be and again as I said you can run and pass out of any formation while using the same base concepts.

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Dodge definetely uses the Air Raid offense. SMU uses a hybrid of the Run and Shoot and the Air Raid because June Jones was really one of the guys who made a name for himself off of the Run and Shoot, but he expanded to the Air Raid because it's a more complex, more organized, and more evolved offense.

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Todd Dodge does not use the "Air Raid". He chunks the ball around yes, but he does not associate himself with the people that came up with the air raid, Tony Franklin system, etc. He just runs his on thing.

Actually June Jones runs the Run and shoot and Mike Leach has sought his counsel over the years and added a few things that June has had success with to the Tech offense over the last few years. June Jones is a direct disciple of Mouse Davis who is considered the originator of the run and shoot offense. When I say originator I mean the person who actually refined it more than anyone else and made it into a system that could be taught to other coaches that wanted to learn it.

The Run and shoot is a lot like the system offense that you see Tech and Houston and the other schools I have listed use. But the Tech/Houston system is easier to use and doesn't put as much pressure on QB's to make reads if you want your offense to work that way. The Run and shoot basically changes every route pre snap based on the alignment of the defense and is a lot more complex than the system that I'm talking about.

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it's really pretty easy to assess. balanced pro-styles win all or almost all of the NC's. UF's spread still contained the power running component with Tebow.

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I love this logic.

Spread teams don't win NCs, but one of the teams that did doesn't count for no real reason.

Florida, a spread team has won 2 NCs
UT was a spread option team when they won the NC.
OU run a spread offense when they won.

Seems like quite a few non-pro style teams win championships.

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I think most of you are focused on how many passes vs. runs a team calls. That's not the point. You've got to do both !!! It is the formation and blocking schemes and I think that teams (such as Houston) that emphasize one aspect over the other, get shut down more easily than teams that have balance. With the speed of the SEC closest to the NFL, offensive strategies of teams like Indy, Pitt, NE, NO, Philly, have more demonstrated commitment to running and passing and win. Sumlin and the Cougars have not.

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Please shut the frick up.