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Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:22 am to Rocket
Good valid points Rocket. I don't think his age really has anything to do with it in my honest opinion. The guy has been around the game his entire life and he probably knows more at 33 than most coaches ever have about football at that age. I think his background and being the Son of Monte would be a huge asset more than a liability. Sure hasn't hurt Derek Dooley any. I also think Steve Sarkisian will rebuild UW nicely in time FWIW. You make great points about him but when you talked about him being where he's at and why, I kind of want to add to that. Isn't any coach where he's at because of who he knows and where he coached and had success prior? Like in most jobs in America but especially in the coaching world it's always about WHO you know not WHAT you know. The plus side in Lane's case is that not only does he KNOW great people but he also KNOWS a lot about the game. In the whole mass scheme of things I don't care if he does great or not because I'm not a UT fan but I am a coach and I know a good coach when I see one and I think he will do a good job there and having that staff in place will also help him out tremendously.
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Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:24 am to Sid in Lakeshore
I haven't seen a whole lot of the Tampa Bay version of the Tampa 2, mainly because...well, I don't keep up with the NFL and it's been maybe over 10 years since I've watched an NFL game. And he ain't bringing Sapp, Lynch and Brooks with him to Tennessee.
But, from the research I've done on the Tampa 2, it's really not a new defense. In fact, some of Saban's roots are deep in it from when he was coaching under George Perles at Michigan State. Chizik even learned it from Dungy and Monte and applied some of it at Auburn.
I'm sure Monte will/might find it beneficial at finding out what his defensive athletes can and can't do and being flexible within his system. This spread offense and the spread option are 2 things that coaches are having a helluva time getting a handle on.
But, from the research I've done on the Tampa 2, it's really not a new defense. In fact, some of Saban's roots are deep in it from when he was coaching under George Perles at Michigan State. Chizik even learned it from Dungy and Monte and applied some of it at Auburn.
I'm sure Monte will/might find it beneficial at finding out what his defensive athletes can and can't do and being flexible within his system. This spread offense and the spread option are 2 things that coaches are having a helluva time getting a handle on.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:43 am to Jason
I think age matters very much. While he may have the energy, there are coaches that have 10-20 years on him. I'm sure those coaches will tell you they know a helluva lot more now than they did at Lane's age.
If he was 43-44 years old, I wouldn't have the same doubts about him.
For his age, he's obviously a good coach. And I don't think he'll never be successful but he could find his first couple of years to be very turbulent.
And no, I certainly don't think his last name and who his dad is will be a liability. But if his last name was Harper and his dad was a cattle farmer in Texas, I don't think he'd be in the position he is in today.
And sure, coaching is alot like a fraternity in who you know AND what you know, but this is an risky hire for a program who became frustrated and impatient with a coach who had been a head coach 17 years there and had only 2 losing seasons, in addition to playing and graduating there and spending over 10 years there as an assistant. I figured they'd go with a young guy, but not this young.
What's even more strange is the buyout he has if they can him.
And I have a strange feeling that, he will if he hasn't by now, learn that the main thing to do is to come out of every Saturday with a win and going out wide open on offense every down isn't always the best way to produce that.
If he was 43-44 years old, I wouldn't have the same doubts about him.
For his age, he's obviously a good coach. And I don't think he'll never be successful but he could find his first couple of years to be very turbulent.
And no, I certainly don't think his last name and who his dad is will be a liability. But if his last name was Harper and his dad was a cattle farmer in Texas, I don't think he'd be in the position he is in today.
And sure, coaching is alot like a fraternity in who you know AND what you know, but this is an risky hire for a program who became frustrated and impatient with a coach who had been a head coach 17 years there and had only 2 losing seasons, in addition to playing and graduating there and spending over 10 years there as an assistant. I figured they'd go with a young guy, but not this young.
What's even more strange is the buyout he has if they can him.
And I have a strange feeling that, he will if he hasn't by now, learn that the main thing to do is to come out of every Saturday with a win and going out wide open on offense every down isn't always the best way to produce that.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 8:58 am to Smokedawg
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Monte looks like the dead
Fixed it for you...
Posted on 1/3/09 at 9:18 am to Jason
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So what Lane was doing at USC a couple of years does not mean anything now all of a sudden?
underachieving as a co-coordinator?
Posted on 1/3/09 at 10:19 am to Alley
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'Best in the world'
are you kidding me?
a head coach who's only head coaching job was with the raiders and was fired before the season ended. even callahan got to the end of the season.
a DC who didn't have success until well into his 50's because he latched unto dungy's back at tampa and just didn't change anything when he left.
and you have a great recruiter.
it's official. vandy is now the number one team in the state.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 11:16 am to Maximus
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underachieving as a co-coordinator?
He called the plays at USC. How did he underachieve?
Posted on 1/3/09 at 12:15 pm to Jason
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Actually Lane has a great Offensive Mind
USC fans disagree.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 12:28 pm to Jason
Sarkisian was Chow's protege and responsible for the offense.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 12:31 pm to BilJ
Sarkisian wasn't the one who piggybacked off the other's offer to become the Raiders coach
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:49 pm to Maximus
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Sarkisian was Chow's protege and responsible for the offense.
I'm guessing you know more than Pete Carroll?
Pete Carroll said in an interview that Lane Kiffin called the plays when he was the OC, & was a key developer in the offense they run today.
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underachieving as a co-coordinator?
Underachieve? They set offensive records virtually in every statistical category at USC while he was the OC.
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USC fans disagree.
Yeah, this just screams of hate.
LINK
Those guys must hate Lane Kiffin. Wow, look at the aggression.
This post was edited on 1/3/09 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 1/3/09 at 2:56 pm to XtennesseeX
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USC fans disagree.
Yeah, this just screams of hate.
LINK
That link talks about Ed O not Kiffin.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:04 pm to Cash
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That link talks about Ed O not Kiffin.
If they hated Lane Kiffin, or thought he sucked, most USC fans would have nothing good to say about him, and they wouldn't be saying anything like this..
A few quotes from USC fans in the thread...
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Tennessee is going to be a force to be reckoned with. Now if you want a dream team, that is quite a staff there with Lane, Monte Kiffin and Coach O.
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Tennessee is quickly becoming one of my favorite teams. That's a beast of a coaching staff
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Wow! Fight on Kiff! Taking the sec by storm!
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I'm not one of those "Once a Trojan, always a Trojan" kind of guys. Especially with regard to transfers and coordinators. They come and go and represent more than just Troy.
I don't wish ill will, but my opinions on Tenn does not change because of this. However if Kiffin's success gives the WLPs heartburn then color me bright orange.
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Tennessee is going to be a good team in a few years. All depends if they can get a QB.
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We still have Pete...it just doesn't get better than that.
Good luck to the Kiffins and CEO.
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Its actually Kiffin. Kiffin is already better than pete in that he hires decent assistents and doesnt have little man syndrome.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:13 pm to XtennesseeX
There was also this-
You can spin it anyway you like but most of those quotes were because of Orgeron and to a lesser degree Monte.
USC's offense was going on all cylinders before Kiffin was the co-OC and didn't miss a beat after he left.
It also helped that he was the co-OC with Leinart, Bush, White, etc. in there prime.
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Kififn is a backstabbing ingrate
You can spin it anyway you like but most of those quotes were because of Orgeron and to a lesser degree Monte.
USC's offense was going on all cylinders before Kiffin was the co-OC and didn't miss a beat after he left.
It also helped that he was the co-OC with Leinart, Bush, White, etc. in there prime.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:16 pm to Cash
a usc guy.gave the entire back story on kiffin once a few weeks back
if he were truly the playcaller and man behind the offense why did sark get the first offer from the raiders?
if he were truly the playcaller and man behind the offense why did sark get the first offer from the raiders?
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:20 pm to Cash
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You can spin it anyway you like but most of those quotes were because of Orgeron and to a lesser degree Monte.
USC's offense was going on all cylinders before Kiffin was the co-OC and didn't miss a beat after he left.
It also helped that he was the co-OC with Leinart, Bush, White, etc. in there prime.
I agree that USC's offense was fine before, and after he left. Yes, USC did set school records on offense while he was the OC. (Yes he called the plays) You could argue that Kiffin had a TON of talent, but it isn't like Kiffin & Orgeron didn't have anything to do with recruiting that talent, considering they were the recruiting coordinators during that time.
BTW, You didn't quote the whole post. He still agrees that Tennessee made a good move.
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Why are you guys happy about that? Ed O is a great recruiter and has recruited this area pretty successfully. Kififn is a backstabbing ingrate. Look for Tennessee make it harder for us in landing OUR areas top talent. Pete and the rest of the staff are going to have to step it up. The competition just grew.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:22 pm to BilJ
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if he were truly the playcaller and man behind the offense why did sark get the first offer from the raiders?
That, I don't know. I will never understand anything behind Al Davis.
I'm going by what Pete Carroll said himself about Kiffin.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:24 pm to XtennesseeX
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You could argue that Kiffin had a TON of talent, but it isn't like Kiffin & Orgeron didn't have anything to do with recruiting that talent, considering they were the recruiting coordinators during that time.
I never said they didn't, but lets be honest it isn't that hard to recruit to USC these days. This is especially true for when Kiffin was the RC because O had already done alot of the dirty work and got the ball rolling.
Posted on 1/3/09 at 3:32 pm to Cash
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I never said they didn't, but lets be honest it isn't that hard to recruit to USC these days. This is especially true for when Kiffin was the RC because O had already done alot of the dirty work and got the ball rolling.
That is somewhat true. Kiffin, while not being 'the' recruiting coordinator while Orgeron was, still recruited.
Either way, Tennessee has both right now. I'm arguing that Tennessee has a great coaching staff right now (Kiffin, Chaney, Orgeron, etc..) with the possible addition of Rodney Garner.
Maybe you agree, I don't know. I just don't see how some think Tennessee made a bad hire in hiring Lane Kiffin.
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