re: The Genius Tom Herman with a great play call.

But played a shitty schedule

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O inherited a far superior team.. and won 1 game against a team with a winning record I believe.. let that sink in..

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Then why did our entire freshman class HAVE to play this year? Two of the five best players on the team have been playing hurt and at 75% at best all year. We have been forced to play multiple freshmen on both lines. Things are better now than they were early in the season, but you are glossing over a ton just to make a message board point.

It is true that UT’s players have never won anything, and that our players have never experienced real losing and missing bowls. Make no mistake though- that is the main difference between the two programs right now. Not roster talent or experience.

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Really now, isn't Ingram the only Freshman OT playing significant minutes? Brumfield, Malone, Clapp, Weathersby, and Campbell are have multiple years, hell Cushenberry is a RS FR so he has been here a year as well. So Ingram and Charles are the only two freshman seeing minutes with Ingram seeing substantial minutes on the OL. On the DL LaCouture, Lawrence, Gilmore, Key are all main guys with Herron, Logan, and Alexander all of who have multiple years in the system. Chaisson is the only true freshman seeing a lot of action.

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This is the case NOW, but we were down 2 or 3 D Linemen for Syracuse and Troy. We didn’t have Alexander, Lawrence, or Key for that game if memory serves. We had three freshmen playing O Line for most of the UF game due to injuries.

Face it. This LSU team has only been close to full strength for one game this year, and that was Bama after a bye week. If we had been healthy all year, especially Guice and Key, I would agree with you. That just hasn’t been the case.

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This LSU team has only been close to full strength for one game this year, and that was Bama after a bye week. If we had been healthy all year, especially Guice and Key, I would agree with you.

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Name one team that has been healthy all year. No team plays at full health for an entire season so this argument is a wash and pointless imo

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But If you want to pretend that this hasn’t been the most severe injury issues the program has had in over 10 years, then I don’t know what to tell you.

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It hasn't been LSU has had several important players miss games. Not sure why people have revisionist memories and make this year sound worse than others.

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Guice and Key are two of the three best players on the team?

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LSU has Williams which has performed well in place of Guice just like Guice performed well in place of LF last year.

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This year is beyond typical injury issues.

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Not really but you won't be convinced other wise obviously

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but it doesn’t put LSU head and shoulders above Texas in the talent department right now,

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Considering I looked, Texas has 4 offensive players starting as Freshman, 2 are true Freshman. LSU has 1 playing and he is a true freshman. They have 0 freshman starting on defense LSU has 1.

But hey LSU has only lost 3 games because this is an abnormal year for injuries. You believe that and nothing that I show you will change your mind so enjoy the weekend.

You’re the one making this into an anti-O argument. I’m not making one for or against here, and made that clear at the end of my last comment. Injuries don’t excuse losing to Troy or the way that we lost to State.

I am simply comparing rosters and saying that Herman doesn’t have some steep talent and experience disadvantage that you claim. I love Darrell Williams for how he has stepped up big this year, but if you want to put his yeoman’s work against Guice in prime form breaking records last season, then there is no convincing you of anything, either. Feel free to continue to pine after and make excuses for a guy who is never coming here, though.

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You’re the one making this into an anti-O argument

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Who said anything about O?

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am simply comparing rosters and saying that Herman doesn’t have some steep talent and experience disadvantage that you claim.

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But he does, LSU has recruited better than Texas the last 4 years. LSU has more experienced players playing as well. Now you want to argue the difference is slight then fine but I believe the gap is bigger than what LSU fans want to claim because they feel Herman used them.

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love Darrell Williams for how he has stepped up big this year, but if you want to put his yeoman’s work against Guice in prime form breaking records last season

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You mean using last years offensive line? Williams is better than what people want to make him out to be and the talent gap between him and Guice isn't as large.

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Feel free to continue to pine after and make excuses for a guy who is never coming here, though.

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Who is pining? LSU fans feel betrayed by Herman which is why they bash him. With the talent LSU had back and Herman at the helm I don't think they lose 3 games this year. That is irrelevant though and a personal feeling. LSU is what it is a 3 loss team with an average offense and the defense carrying it again.

Orgeron is having the kind of year we all expected LSU to have. Herman has fewer wins than everyone thought they'd have. Who does what going forward remains to be seen, but that's the reality we have today.

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LSU fans feel betrayed by Herman

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Speak for yourself, I feel betrayed by Joe Aleeva.

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With the talent LSU had back and Herman at the helm I don't think they lose 3 games this year. That is irrelevant though and a personal feeling. LSU is what it is a 3 loss team with an average offense and the defense carrying it again.

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I agree with most of this but I think the offense has shown the possibility of significant improvement. The line has improved as a unit and I think better QB play will make this offense a force to recon with. Just an opinion, no real way for me to quantify that.

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Orgeron is having the kind of year we all expected LSU to have

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LSU has averaged the #4 recruiting class (24/7 rankings) over the last 4 years, twice #2 plus #5 and #7 this past year. I hoped for better, my expectations were cautious due to O's track record at Ole Miss though I was hopeful he learned something from that experience (he seems to have, IMO)

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Herman has fewer wins than everyone thought they'd have.

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Texas has averaged the 15 recruiting class (24/7 rankings) over the last 4 years, #17, #10, #7 and #25 this past year. Honestly, I was expecting a near .500 seasons mostly due to the complete or near complete staff change (I assume that happened, not a UT fan so I son't know this is fact).

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ho does what going forward remains to be seen

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Agreed, two years down the road will be the most telling season for Herman, in my opinion. I think next year will give us a clearer picture with O.