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re: Stop with the Tucker-Tate Panic
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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There are other minority candidates much better than Tucker.
Do y’all even reading comprehension? The whole premise of the OP is that Tate is NOT going to push for Tucker simply because he’s black. I think he probably wants Franklin and if that doesn’t happen he’s smart enough to know you lose all credibility pushing for Tucker. He’s also smart enough to know if we miss on this hire, he’s going to catch some or (depending on who we hire) most of the blame. And if he pushes for Tucker and Tucker fails then who knows when another black coach will get a shot? The guy is aware of this and won’t just blindly hire a coach who doesn’t have the credentials yet.
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:42 am to DamnStrong1860
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The guy is aware of this and won’t just blindly hire a coach who doesn’t have the credentials yet.
If I were you, I would hold back on this until we find out more.
It appears that Tucker will be a candidate.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:43 am to DamnStrong1860
It's so funny how much the little snowflakes are melting over Wild Bill Tate being involved in the decision, especially since the guy is as competitive as they come.
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:45 am to DamnStrong1860
Still peddling the black man in power?
Posted on 10/18/21 at 12:09 pm to OKBoomerSooner
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African countries and Black-run jurisdictions in the West are some of the most blatantly cronyist governing regimes on Earth. Blacks are orders of magnitude more likely to prioritize in-group preference over meritocratic results. Whites are historically the least likely to prioritize in-group preference.
Code for shite hole countries
Posted on 10/18/21 at 12:12 pm to DamnStrong1860
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But ask yourself, in a sport dominated, DOMINATED, by black men how in the world are there so few well qualified black candidates? I don’t have to tell you the answer, you already know it. But I’ll tell you anyway. . . SYSTEMIC RACISM
This is why you are failing making excuses. How is it Asian Americans are successful? Just a black bias?
Get a job
Posted on 10/18/21 at 12:18 pm to DamnStrong1860
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Here’s the problem with the “hire the best coach narrative”, it’s a classic example of a policy being facially neutral but discriminatory in its impact and likely discriminatory in its intent. You say that knowing full well there’s like one black guy in the world who has the resume for a job like this. So the chances of LSU hiring a black man are slim to none.
The bottleneck is minorities being hired as coordinators, which exist across all levels of football. There are lots of minorities who are position coaches, much fewer who are coordinators.
Once a guy gets a chance as a coordinator they will (usually) sink or swim based on merit and that’s the pool new head coaches are almost always hired from.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 10/18/21 at 12:47 pm to c on z
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Whites are historically the least likely to prioritize in-group preference.
You accuse the guy of being ignorant of history, yet you make this comment
What he means is, black Americans are more likely to band together for a black person to be in charge with merit being an afterthought. They tend to care more about agreeing with each other above all else. For example, 84-87% of black voters vote democrat. Whereas whites, it's been historically about equal, only recently has trended more towards republican (about 60/40). A greater percentage of whites voted for Obama than any percentage of blacks voting for any republican candidate ever. There's more diversity of thought, historically, in the white community. Doesn't make them better or worse, this is just what the poster was trying to say.
No one hired Saban because he was white. At no point did the AD say "we need a white guy." You'd have flipped out, but somehow it's OK for the president to blatantly push for a black guy in an overwhelmingly black dominated locker room. You're assuming that since most coaches have been white, that color of skin has been a factor. Correlation does not equal causation. That's something that CRT / BLM / leftists have yet to figure out.
Plenty of black coaches have been given chances. Some succeed and they stay. Some fail and don't. The 2 front runners are head coaches at major universities already. Where's the racism there?
Your problem is that you assume if we don't want a "diversity hire" we're racist. Wrong. James Franklin is at the top of most guy's lists (he's number 2 behind Fickell for me). After that, there are more qualified white coaches before we get to Mel Tucker. Hiring him would be a blatant racist move, and people who advocate for it would be becoming the very enemy they THINK they're fighting against.
If race trumps merit, maybe we should hire Tucker, then free up some roster spots for white people. It's about 85% black, our coaching staff has 4 black coaches, our president is black, which doesn't scream diversity to me.
TL;DR we want the best guy for the job. There are about 10 guys above Mel Tucker, several of whom are white, that if Tate passes up, makes him a total racist douche.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:28 pm to Mike Erhmantraut
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What he means is, black Americans are more likely to band together for a black person to be in charge with merit being an afterthought. They tend to care more about agreeing with each other above all else. For example, 84-87% of black voters vote democrat. Whereas whites, it's been historically about equal, only recently has trended more towards republican (about 60/40). A greater percentage of whites voted for Obama than any percentage of blacks voting for any republican candidate ever. There's more diversity of thought, historically, in the white community. Doesn't make them better or worse, this is just what the poster was trying to say.
No one hired Saban because he was white. At no point did the AD say "we need a white guy." You'd have flipped out, but somehow it's OK for the president to blatantly push for a black guy in an overwhelmingly black dominated locker room. You're assuming that since most coaches have been white, that color of skin has been a factor. Correlation does not equal causation. That's something that CRT / BLM / leftists have yet to figure out.
Plenty of black coaches have been given chances. Some succeed and they stay. Some fail and don't. The 2 front runners are head coaches at major universities already. Where's the racism there?
Your problem is that you assume if we don't want a "diversity hire" we're racist. Wrong. James Franklin is at the top of most guy's lists (he's number 2 behind Fickell for me). After that, there are more qualified white coaches before we get to Mel Tucker. Hiring him would be a blatant racist move, and people who advocate for it would be becoming the very enemy they THINK they're fighting against.
If race trumps merit, maybe we should hire Tucker, then free up some roster spots for white people. It's about 85% black, our coaching staff has 4 black coaches, our president is black, which doesn't scream diversity to me.
TL;DR we want the best guy for the job. There are about 10 guys above Mel Tucker, several of whom are white, that if Tate passes up, makes him a total racist douche.
Very well said.... This is exactly what people are thinking when we are posting. No one could have said it better.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:35 am to Raz
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to do what white men in power have been doing since the beginning of human kind
Y’all’s obsession with race is hilarious. We’ve hired POC for multiple head coaching jobs but it’s seems football is the breaking point. Why the assumption that a black university president would force a certain hire? Who gives AF?! I don’t care what the color of our next coach is. I just want him to be great. STOP TALKING ABOUT RACE!
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 1:50 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 1:53 am to AnthonyWC70788
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What he means is, black Americans are more likely to band together for a black person to be in charge with merit being an afterthought. They tend to care more about agreeing with each other above all else. For example, 84-87% of black voters vote democrat. Whereas whites, it's been historically about equal, only recently has trended more towards republican (about 60/40).
Dude take it to the the politics board.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 2:41 am to GeauxJZK
You are a mental case. See your way out
Posted on 10/19/21 at 3:54 am to DamnStrong1860
This post is wokeism sprinkled with AIDS
Posted on 10/19/21 at 3:57 am to DamnStrong1860
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The panic over Tate possibly pushing for Tucker is because you think a black man in power is going to do what white men in power have been doing since the beginning of human kind, hire one of their own no matter how mediocre he might be. I mean the last President and AD pair hired the most mediocre coach on the planet and y’all loved it “‘cause he talk like us.”
Most people hated it. We lost our freaking minds over it.
Same manner as we would with Tucker. It's not about race no matter how desperately others want it to be. Just want the best for LSU. I believe they can do better than Tucker and his resume.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 4:11 am to SammyTiger
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People act like he isn’t currently coaching an undefeated top 10 team 7 weeks into the season
Have you seen who MSU has played in those 7 games? Im being serious when i say that LSU may very well be undefeated right now if we played those bums as well. Its a frickin joke. The scarier thing is that even with these 7 wins this season, mel tucker is only 14-12 as a head coach. Hes had a 5-7 season at colorado, a 2-5 record last year at MSU, and hes 7-0 this season playing dogshit opponents. MSU will end up losing a few games this season too, just watch. 14-12 dude. He simply isnt qualified to be the head coach at LSU. Race has absolutely nothing to do with it.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 4:14 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 4:55 am to Deactived
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everyone on here for the most part hated the hire
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bullshite
Fify
Tons of people here loved the O hire.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 4:57 am to DownSouthCrawfish
And a lot of people on here hated the hire
Posted on 10/19/21 at 5:09 am to jlc05
True. Possibly 50/50.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:22 am to DamnStrong1860
Well he did write a paper to the effect that math was racist and got hired as a university’s president. Is it really that far of a stretch?
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 6:23 am
Posted on 10/19/21 at 6:27 am to DamnStrong1860
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The whole premise of the OP is that Tate is NOT going to push for Tucker simply because he’s black. I think he probably wants Franklin and if that doesn’t happen he’s smart enough to know you lose all credibility pushing for Tucker
Marxists don’t worry about losing credibility pushing for a lesser candidate, it’s all for the cause.
The problem LSU has is it’s well known Tate wants the diversity hire as he’s mentioned to numerous people. If Woody gets the white whale (whatever the hell that is), Tate is diminished in the public eye and to a leftist that is unacceptable.
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