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re: Spinosa Debt Refinanced = Saban to UT?

Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:21 am to
Posted by TigersBlood45
Member since Dec 2013
249 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:21 am to
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The $25MM was related to a Houston apartment complex. The debt associated with Perkins Rowe was $14MM.


This.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
83713 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:22 am to
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<---------this guy has your answer



Posted by Politiceaux
Member since Feb 2009
17664 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:22 am to
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Do you really need it explained to you?
That number doesn't have anything to do with those coaches.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:23 am to
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so Jamail can buy up bad debt, write it up as a loss for the tax break but Saban's boss who has 8 figures of wealth can't?

Seriously guys just give me one logical reason, just one.

Uh, because Texas thought of it first?

Its too late for PBj, or REC, or the Bama nation to buy up Saban debt. Its done. No matter how much money that have

And yesterday over lunch in Beaumont, ole Joe told Nick that he would simply forget where he left that note, if he was celebrating the greatest hire in UT history
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:24 am to
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Saban just LOVES giving outsiders like rich boosters "authority" over hi
Don't kid yourself, plenty of boosters, even at Bama, pay large amounts of money for access to coaches. Rubbing elbows with donors is part of being a coach, especially at big time programs. Nick may not like it, but it part of the process.

The question I was asking are UT admin and the "boosters" on the same page and by what authority do the boosters have to negotiate?
Posted by TJRibMe
Houston, Mexas
Member since Sep 2004
5227 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:25 am to
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How in the world would he get on the hook for $25 mil without having the assets and investments to justify it?
You should see how most commercial real estate transactions are underwritten. I'm sure or would least expect Saban has assets totaling $25MM. That doesn't mean he is going to give them up to satisfy a $25MM default.

Depending upon which state law the loan was underwritten, he could have had joint and several liability. Simply put, if one guarantor runs away, another guarantor is responsible for the entire amount owed.
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:25 am to
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For the record if you are going to pay a coach 40 million why not go after Sean Payton, Bellicheck, a Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin?


That is the statement you originally responded to!

So why would the number not have anything to do with those coaches? I know where you are coming from otherwise, I think, but if Peyton was offered a 40 million up front pay, he would leave tonight! LOL
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:26 am to
They sought protection in bankruptcy in 2011. They could have elected to just lose the property but clearly it has worth. But one month ago the corp which owned the note and tried to foreclose on it in 2011 dissolved. Now either Saban and Spinosa came out of bankruptcy or someone bought the note. The note still had value.
Posted by BamaNixon
Stumptown
Member since Nov 2010
3266 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:26 am to
This is my favorite crazy thread of all the crazy threads on this crazy thread-filled board. Congrats, you guys.
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:27 am to
This thread is going to be delicious when saban stays at bama
Posted by GeeOH
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2013
13376 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:27 am to
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Seriously guys just give me one logical reason, just one.


If you own someone's debt, you can "call it in" anytime you like.

Saban is ok, unless the owner of the debt doesn't call it in, if they do, every penny must be paid or they take all of your assets.

I think they can basically hold this over his head and "help" him decide he needs to be at UT
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25702 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:28 am to
Lots of claims of public records, but I see NONE linked.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
107535 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:28 am to
#ride4spinosa
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:28 am to
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This is my favorite crazy thread of all the crazy threads on this crazy thread-filled board. Congrats, you guys.


You're more than welcome to stay your arse on tidefans or any other Bama board. This is the type of shite that has ALWAYS happened on this board. It's only because you idiots are involved that it's gone to complete shite. The Miles to Michigan stuff in '07 was just like this.
Posted by Eauxld Geauxld
Mississippi
Member since Dec 2005
1312 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:28 am to
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My personal belief is, Mack is being forced out, and that wouldn't happen unless UT has their man.



This makes a lot of sense to me. Have to agree with this 100%.

Posted by BamaNixon
Stumptown
Member since Nov 2010
3266 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:30 am to
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You're more than welcome to stay your arse on tidefans or any other Bama board.


Why would I do that? I said this was my FAVORITE.

Your little mini-melt is making you my favorite poster. I think I'm going to check your post history to see what other crazy gems I can mine from it.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
17486 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:31 am to
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Why would I do that? I said this was my FAVORITE.

Your little mini-melt is making you my favorite poster. I think I'm going to check your post history to see what other crazy gems I can mine from it.


Go nuts psycho.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
Member since Jan 2009
25702 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:32 am to
You are so mad about contradictory views.
Posted by TJRibMe
Houston, Mexas
Member since Sep 2004
5227 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:32 am to
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Regardless, his true exposure can't be the entire PG amount on either one of those, right?

What I am getting at is that although on paper there is 40 mill in pg's under Saban's name, I bet the amount truly paid to clear him was much less.
He could potentially be exposed for the entire $40MM with joint and several liability if he provided that type of personal guaranty (still a stretch in my mind). The more likely resolution was Saban was able to negotiate a favorable settlement where his guaranty is released and his original investment still has some worth or even potential to make a return in the future.
Posted by partsman103
Member since Sep 2008
8628 posts
Posted on 12/12/13 at 10:33 am to
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And yesterday over lunch in Beaumont, ole Joe told Nick that he would simply forget where he left that note, if he was celebrating the greatest hire in UT history


Here's some "reality" for you to digest. Saban is a pretty smart person and a control freak. By allowing the individual to "lose the note" only empowers the person who owns the note. Saban is not going to allow anyone to have that power muchless over him.
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