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re: South Carolina Coaching Search Mega-Thread
Posted on 11/30/15 at 1:18 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 11/30/15 at 1:18 pm to Bunk Moreland
There are two things I like about Muschamp:
His history of defensive success
His ties to the region
I think USC needed to focus on a defensive-minded HC, as the greatest success in the program has always been with stout D. Muschamp does check that box- even UF admits that his defenses were great.
But his temperament just isn't right. He'd have to calm down, considerably, to be a successful HC. Same thing with Bo Pelini. WM can't change who he is- but it's also what makes him a poor head coach.
He'd also have to hire a dynamic OC, and let him loose. I don't think that's in his makeup, either.
WM is right where he belongs in the coaching profession- as a coordinator in the SEC.
His history of defensive success
His ties to the region
I think USC needed to focus on a defensive-minded HC, as the greatest success in the program has always been with stout D. Muschamp does check that box- even UF admits that his defenses were great.
But his temperament just isn't right. He'd have to calm down, considerably, to be a successful HC. Same thing with Bo Pelini. WM can't change who he is- but it's also what makes him a poor head coach.
He'd also have to hire a dynamic OC, and let him loose. I don't think that's in his makeup, either.
WM is right where he belongs in the coaching profession- as a coordinator in the SEC.
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Posted on 11/30/15 at 1:21 pm to RoyalAir
I think Dino Babers is a great get if he is not going to UCF. He has paid his dues, rebuilt two programs, and not too old.
Posted on 11/30/15 at 2:12 pm to RoyalAir
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But his temperament just isn't right. He'd have to calm down, considerably, to be a successful HC.
This is just stupid. Saban has a ton of these tantrums over the years and nobody says they are holding him back. Muschamp is very well liked by boosters and the media. He is very well mannered off the field
Posted on 11/30/15 at 2:15 pm to GenesChin
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This is just stupid.
I'm not saying he has to reach Zen levels like Richt does when he's meditating/coaching, I'm saying that his inability to stay calm in the moment actually costs his team the ability to win sometimes.
Case in point on Saturday against Alabama. His meltdown(s) directly led to Alabama points. Did that cost Aubie the game? Probably not, but if certainly didn't help them win it.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:48 am to RoyalAir
What we know:
Oklahoma OC Lincoln Riley is interviewing today.
Auburn DC Boom Muschamp is interviewing tomorrow.
Muschamp is not required to pay a buyout now, b/c his Reg Season ended and they aren't in the SECCG.
https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/07/details_of_will_muschamps_51_m.html
SC offered Kirby Smart the job after the UGA job came open, we don't know what the offer was.
Tom Herman has publicly said he's not leaving Houston and 'agreed in principle' to a deal with Houston. It was previously reported that he had agreed to a deal with SC weeks ago, and then again with UGA. Tom Herman is coaching in the AACCG this weekend, and nobody knows what he's going to do really until after that game.
What we can speculate:
Tom Herman's team freaked when the news broke about SC, they lost to UConn and then there was a big smokescreen by Ray Tanner to keep Tom Herman happy and his team focused on their goal, OR Tom Herman is really going to stay at Houston and take a gamble on possibly getting the UT job this year or in the future (whenever it opens.)
Muschamp flew into Columbia earlier this week, had some meetings, and started contacting potential staff to make a stronger pitch for himself in Friday's interview.
Riley is brought in to get a look at that HC job, but also to see if we can acquire his services as a $1M OC if Muschamp is hired.
Fedora, Beamer and a bunch of guys rumored at one point or another are out of the equation.
Elliott isn't going to get the job.
Oklahoma OC Lincoln Riley is interviewing today.
Auburn DC Boom Muschamp is interviewing tomorrow.
Muschamp is not required to pay a buyout now, b/c his Reg Season ended and they aren't in the SECCG.
https://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2015/07/details_of_will_muschamps_51_m.html
SC offered Kirby Smart the job after the UGA job came open, we don't know what the offer was.
Tom Herman has publicly said he's not leaving Houston and 'agreed in principle' to a deal with Houston. It was previously reported that he had agreed to a deal with SC weeks ago, and then again with UGA. Tom Herman is coaching in the AACCG this weekend, and nobody knows what he's going to do really until after that game.
What we can speculate:
Tom Herman's team freaked when the news broke about SC, they lost to UConn and then there was a big smokescreen by Ray Tanner to keep Tom Herman happy and his team focused on their goal, OR Tom Herman is really going to stay at Houston and take a gamble on possibly getting the UT job this year or in the future (whenever it opens.)
Muschamp flew into Columbia earlier this week, had some meetings, and started contacting potential staff to make a stronger pitch for himself in Friday's interview.
Riley is brought in to get a look at that HC job, but also to see if we can acquire his services as a $1M OC if Muschamp is hired.
Fedora, Beamer and a bunch of guys rumored at one point or another are out of the equation.
Elliott isn't going to get the job.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:51 am to CockInYourEar
May have been mentioned already, but why no talk of Brent Venables?
Posted on 12/3/15 at 10:58 am to CockInYourEar
Seems like Tanner wants Muschamp. I would be pissed if I was a cock fan. Tanner has had months, and it appears he over analysis each coach. He probably could have had Smart if offered early. Champ is a great DC, but I am just not sold on him as a HC. I don't see him in a situation where the AD is hiring his assistant coaches for him. Who knows, tho.
This post was edited on 12/3/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:01 am to tigerfan102
He would never pass our vetting process.
He had 2 solid years at clemson and was garbage for the first 2 years. He rode Stoops coattails at OU for years, he only had one Top25 when Stoops left for Arizona. They wanted him gone at OU when he took that clemson job.
He had 2 solid years at clemson and was garbage for the first 2 years. He rode Stoops coattails at OU for years, he only had one Top25 when Stoops left for Arizona. They wanted him gone at OU when he took that clemson job.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:02 am to CockInYourEar
Muschamp failed at Florida. I don't know what tanner is thinking. I'd rather have a young up and coming guy than a guy that already failed at a better job.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:06 am to AUCE05
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Seems like Tanner wants Muschamp. I would be pissed if I was a cock fan. Tanner has had months, and it appears he over analysis each coach
I think he wanted Herman since the end of October when he started getting the data back from the search firm. I think he made his list of top candidates and Herman and Kirby were there. Then in the past 2 weeks, Herman pulled his name out and the uga popped open for Kirby, so now he's looking at other candidates. He wanted Muschamp last year, but SOS squashed it b/c he didn't like the HCIW tag. Tanner was comfortable with the tag.
For all the options out there. Muschamp checks a lot of boxes and would be a better choice than Fedora, Beamer, Babers, Durkin, Campbell, etc....
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:10 am to 1999
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Muschamp failed at Florida. I don't know what tanner is thinking. I'd rather have a young up and coming guy than a guy that already failed at a better job
You have to look beyond the record too.
free article from 247:
https://southcarolina.247sports.com/Board/44/Contents/Gamecocks-Search-The-case-for-Will-Muschamp-41662660
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South Carolina’s football program has plenty of issues as the Gamecocks look to hire a new football coach.
Those issues can be resolved in short order by making a good hire in the former of current Auburn defensive coordinator and former Florida head coach Will Muschamp.
Coaching Staff
If he gets the job, Muschamp plans to assemble one of the finest coaching staffs South Carolina has ever had from a recruiting, evaluation and development standpoint. Guys like Travaris Robinson and Lance Thompson are two of the best recruiters in the country. Former Gamecocks assistants Brad Lawing and Ellis Johnson have connections to the state and definitely know how to recruit and coach for the Gamecocks- both have proven track records and could be on staff.
Muschamp also is willing to retain South Carolina interim head coach Shawn Elliott on the staff should Elliott want to remain in Columbia. If not, look for Virginia Tech offensive line coach Stacy Searels or current Florida offensive line coach Mike Summers to join him in Columbia and coach the Gamecocks offensive line.
As for other hires, I am told he will put a premium on great evaluators/developers and also coaches who have familiarity not only with recruiting in the state of South Carolina and the Southeast, but also in the SEC.
What about his offensive coordinator/system???
On offense, there are several names floating out there for offensive coordinator, but the bottom line is that Muschamp’s philosophy will be distinctly different this time around.
I am told by multiple sources close to Muschamp that he “learned his lesson” about the pedestrian pro-style attack that he ran at Florida his four years there and that the offense at his next coaching job will be a no-huddle, up-tempo offensive system with run-pass options for the quarterbacks.
The idea, per my intel, is to install new, cutting-edge run-pass options within the system that put major stress on a defense both vertically and horizontally.
Two things about this type of system.
1- It’s the type of offense that gives veteran SEC defensive coordinators nightmares because of the ability for the quarterback to throw or run or hand it off on any given play. The fact that some of these concepts will be new makes it even more intriguing as it won’t be something that defensive coaches see every week.
2- It fits the current (and potential future) South Carolina personnel at quarterback. True freshman Lorenzo Nunez and incoming Class of 2016 signal caller Brandon McIlwain both are perfect for this type of attack.
It’s a radical departure from what Muschamp tried to run at Florida and one that fits the Gamecocks’ personnel to a tee. South Carolina’s offense, for example, will have a much better chance for success out the gate (in 2016) running this style as opposed to trying to install a Big 12-style “air raid” offense (which has never worked at a high level in the Southeastern Conference) that involves pass after pass after pass and little run game without dominant running backs and a big offensive line. Historically, defenses in the SEC are just too good along the lines of scrimmage to attempt to run the “air raid” with any sort of success. An up-tempo offense with RPOS (run pass options) and the threat of quarterback runs? Absolutely. It is a proven commodity in the league and thus is likely why Muschamp is going to head in this direction.
?Recruiting
South Carolina's roster has less difference-makers now than it has for more than a decade (pre-Spurrier) and needs impact players at every position. That means you have to go recruit them.
Throughout his career, Muschamp himself has been known as a relentless recruiter. In one month at Auburn last year, he and Robinson flipped and signed multiple talented defensive players to the Tigers. His classes at Florida overall always featured plenty of surprise “flips” and major signings both in and out of the Sunshine State and he obviously left the Gators with enough talent to win the SEC East under first-year head coach Jim McElwain this season.
With the staff he plans to assemble, Muschamp and company will have the ability to recruit head-to-head in the Carolinas with any program and also sign their share out of the talent-rich states of Georgia and Florida, while spot-recruiting other areas (like the Atlantic Seaboard). I anticipate that a Muschamp staff would cast a wide net for quarterbacks and offensive linemen, too.
Player Development
There is little doubt Muschamp and staff can develop individual talent, particularly on defense. From the 2013-15 NFL Draft, Florida had five first-round selections (one of the best marks for a coach in the SEC during that period)- four of them were on the defensive side of the ball.
For a program like South Carolina, which has an abundance of raw defensive talent in its recruiting footprint and which has produced more than its share of high-end NFL talent on that side of the ball, it’s an outstanding match.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:10 am to CockInYourEar
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What happened at Florida?
Most detractors on the Muschamp hire use this narrative- “if he couldn’t win at Florida, he can’t win at South Carolina”- and while on the surface, one would think that is a logical explanation, a deeper look reveals the specific issues that caused Muschamp’s tenure with the Gators to be less-than-successful.
First and foremost is that Florida was bad on offense. We’ve already addressed the difference in philosophy his program at South Carolina would have, but let’s take a look at what happened in Gainesville.
First and foremost, Muschamp went against the DNA of the Gators program (they’ve never been great when they haven’t in attempting to install a pro-style offense under his first offensive coordinator- former Notre Dame head coach Charlie Weis. On paper, Weis looked like a fantastic hire. He was not and proved during his tenure as the Kansas head coach (he left for the Jayhawks following one season with UF and subsequently got fired) that he clearly peaked as a head coach early in his Notre Dame career and it’s been downhill ever since.
Weis was a bad fit from the start- attempting to install a complex system full of checks and reads and NFL concepts with a team that was used to the spread/option attack under Urban Meyer.
After Weis left, Muschamp hired Boise State offensive coordinator Brent Pease. Who doesn’t want to be like the Broncos on offense, right? Pease actually had a solid first season- 2012- with Jeff Driskel at quarterback (Jacoby Brissett, now at N.C. State, did not win the job and transferred out to Raleigh). The Gators were serviceable on that side of the ball and along with an excellent defense were able to have Muschamp’s best season in Gainesville- an 11-2 mark including a 44-11 win against a South Carolina team that top-to-bottom may have been the best of Spurrier era.
Then the bottom fell out in 2013 thanks in large part to something that was out of Muschamp’s control- injuries. During that 4-8 season, 29 scholarship players missed snaps for Florida because of injuries and 23 scholarship players missed full games. To compound matters, 17 scholarship Gators suffered season-ending injuries.
Among those players were wide receiver Andre Debose, right tackle Chaz Green, Driskel at quarterback, defensive tackle Dominique Easley, offensive tackle D.J. Humphries and running back Matt Jones. So you’re big play threat at receiver, two stud tackles and your starting quarterback all were out for the season.
Muschamp spoke about the injuries several times during that year. He was always careful to point out that he wasn’t making “excuses” but that was just “reality”. It was perhaps one of the most trying years for one coach roster-wise in the modern history of the SEC.
Where Pease failed Muschamp is in the quarterback recruiting department. He signed two players in Skyler Mornhinweg and Max Staver- who could not play dead in a movie and when Driskel got hurt, it derailed any chance the Gators had to sustain the mass injuries they had in 2013.
In 2014, Muschamp’s last at Florida, the Gators offense suffered greatly because of quarterback recruiting misses. Offensive coordinator Kurt Roper was brought in from Duke and from all accounts was a great hire. Driskel, however, lost all confidence and was replaced by true freshman Treon Harris (Fellow true freshman Will Grier was redshirted), who was recruited by most schools as a safety. Harris (as USC fans saw with Nunez this season- and Nunez was better prepared than Harris to run a college passing system) wasn’t ready to start. Florida did happen to beat Georgia, 38-20, throwing only six passes and running maybe 8-10 plays tops against the Bulldogs. Florida simply did not win enough and show enough improvement, though. South Carolina actually blocked two kicks (bizarre bad luck), beat Florida in The Swamp 23-20 in overtime and Muschamp was fired the following week.
Conclusion
For its next head coach, South Carolina needs a recruiter, someone who is motivated, someone who is dynamic philosophically on both sides of the ball, someone who can develop players and someone who knows the game. There isn’t a single contact in college football (coaches and players) that I’ve spoken with that does not rave about what a great football coach Muschamp is. He’s considered one of the most intelligent people in the game today almost universally.
The folks that may not want to hire him can’t see past a 28-21 record at Florida and have no idea what actually happened. Even the folks in the administration at UF (some of whom have contacted USC president Harris Pastides on behalf of Muschamp’s candidacy) knew what type of coach he is.
Sometimes in life situations don’t work out for talented people, they learn from it and come back stronger. Texas and Florida both (two of the best programs in the country) knew the talent that Muschamp had when they went to hire him. Things did not work out in Gainesville, that is a fact, but the coaching talent is still there. Given these factors, there’s not a better choice the Gamecocks can make considering the pool of candidates than Muschamp. This is a coaching search, not a political primary. The popular vote will be tallied on the growth of the South Carolina program in the coming years. That’s what is important right now if the Gamecocks want to get back to winning games.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:16 am to CockInYourEar
Just hire Petrino and be done with it.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 11:23 am to ProjectP2294
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Just hire Petrino and be done with it.
no doubt,, if you're seriously considering a muschamp/babers hire, you have nothing at all to lose by going with Petrino.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 1:25 pm to CockInYourEar
That article didn't even touch on the issues that really went on. UF was terrible on offense all 4 years and despite 3 OCs it always looked the same. WM hires on offense were terrible. Chris Leak was hired at WR coach with zero experience. His recruiting philosophy was just as bad, turning Des into Tes, bad OL reaches, letting Pease take Skyler over Paxton due his dad, wanted Derrick Henry as LBer. He will sign a 1000 dbs and DL though so there's that. YOU GUYS SHOULD RUN FAR AWAY.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 1:31 pm to TJGator1215
Well let us hope that he has learned his lesson.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 1:52 pm to GetCocky11
For your sanity I hope so. If not, I hope you have a strong liver.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 2:45 pm to TJGator1215
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He will sign a 1000 dbs and DL though so there's that.
Sounds like the Urban Meyer recruiting philosophy 2008-2010. No 4*+ QBs signed, very few OL and skill players signed on offense. Muschamp inherited absolute garbage from Meyer and most went pro or transferred after his 1st year.
The dumpster fire got started before Will Muschamp took over. Muschamp just didn't put it out and added some logs to keep it going.
Posted on 12/3/15 at 2:49 pm to CockInYourEar
After readin gthat long thing about what Muschamp is trying to sell, I am starting to realize how much Auburn's dumpster fire screwed him.
It is more and more apparent that Muschamp came to Auburn so he could sell "Muschamp D and Gus Malzahn's Off" by taking a guy like Rhett Lashlee.
Well unfortunately for him, Auburn sucks and people are going to just have to trust him instead of him grabbing a proven commodity at OC from Auburn
It is more and more apparent that Muschamp came to Auburn so he could sell "Muschamp D and Gus Malzahn's Off" by taking a guy like Rhett Lashlee.
Well unfortunately for him, Auburn sucks and people are going to just have to trust him instead of him grabbing a proven commodity at OC from Auburn
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