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Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:48 am to 50_Tiger
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Alleva 100% bitch made
Anybody that calls that a bitch move is a dumb motherfricker. Alleva did the right thing but you are stupid so you can't see it.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:48 am to BilJ
Idk, i can totally see Alleva throwing a hissy fit and slamming the phone down
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:50 am to Rougarou13
This is essentially what Miles did with the Jeff Long situation and people were livid. Now that Herman did it, people downvote you? 
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 9:51 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:50 am to BilJ
I read that yesterday and those quotes seemed totally made up. That's some Hollywood script.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:52 am to FVRLSU09
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Pretty poor showing by UT and Herman's agent, and shows the power struggle between decision makers and boosters.
How is it a poor showing?
It worked. They got their man. Alleva is too big of a pussy to play the game
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:55 am to Cosmo
as Guilbeau said....
if we are to believe Herman was your guy, then you do what it takes to land him.
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So, that makes 17 years since LSU boldly set the market for a new football coach as it did when it hired Saban from Michigan State in 1999 for $1.2 million. During the negotiations, then-LSU athletic director Joe Dean and others with LSU balked at the idea of paying so much for a coach.
And then-chancellor Mark Emmert stepped in and stopped the quibbling between Saban’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, and LSU. “Pay him what he wants.”
And it was done. Emmert wasn’t looking for a bargain. He was shopping at Neiman Marcus, and he got value over a long period of time because he didn’t settle for journeyman defensive assistant coach Phil Bennett, who could have been hired at bargain prices. He didn’t settle for defensive coordinator Mike Archer as Dean did after the 1986 season and found himself looking for a new coach just four years later … and another just four years later … and another just five years later.
if we are to believe Herman was your guy, then you do what it takes to land him.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 9:58 am to Rougarou13
The bottom line is that HERMAN wanted the Texas job.
Alleva was rebuffed. Aleeva did not rebuff Herman in anything more than the literal sense. Herman would have just strung him along and signed with The Horns, where his heart is. Aleeva did not "frick up" with Herman. He just read the tea leaves, and moved on.
Whether he should have had a fourth candidate after Herman, Jimbo and Coach O is a matter of opinion and a separate issue. I think he correctly felt that O was as good as any fourth option out there, especially considering that the staff would be retained and a great Offensive Coordinator will be brought in.
Alleva was rebuffed. Aleeva did not rebuff Herman in anything more than the literal sense. Herman would have just strung him along and signed with The Horns, where his heart is. Aleeva did not "frick up" with Herman. He just read the tea leaves, and moved on.
Whether he should have had a fourth candidate after Herman, Jimbo and Coach O is a matter of opinion and a separate issue. I think he correctly felt that O was as good as any fourth option out there, especially considering that the staff would be retained and a great Offensive Coordinator will be brought in.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:01 am to Lsupimp
We don't know that Texas was willing to pay an exorbitant amount for Herman. People assume, but we don't know. There were still reports that Strong may be retained, and I believe that
I don't know if a $7 million offer and total control lands Herman, but could we at least try?
I don't know if a $7 million offer and total control lands Herman, but could we at least try?
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:06 am to rintintin
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If that's true, why don't you just wait till Saturday evening and see what they counter offer?
It's not like we had a timetable with Orgeron. You lose nothing.
Ego is why. Alleva didn't want to feel bullied so he pulled the offer.
That's shitty negotiating IMO. Put your pride away, you do what's best for the University.
Agreed. What's reported is exactly what I thought happened. Someone that operates on emotion has no business being in negotiations of this magnitude.
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Alleva is too big of a pussy to play the game
That's what Alleva never realized. This is what you do when you fire a coach, you have to play the game with the top candidates, you don't get mad because they're negotiating with you. Things change on an hour-to-hour basis during a potential coaching hire. You come back with a counter-offer.
If this was the guy you think is going to put LSU over the top, you match Texas every step of the way and make Herman say no. Don't simply bitch out because things aren't going your way.
Man, this makes LSU look really bad.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 10:15 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:08 am to Rougarou13
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The source said a perturbed Alleva told Herman’s agent, Trace Armstrong, via phone Friday night, “Don’t worry. I have a guy who wants the job.”
If Alleva really said that, then he was bluffing and Armstrong/Herman called his bluff.
I'd love to sit down at a poker table with Alleva. I'd clean his Sam Waterston-looking arse out.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:10 am to Zaq
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We don't know that Texas was willing to pay an exorbitant amount for Herman.
They ended up paying $5 million.
In today's market, I don't know if I'd call that exhorbitant.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:12 am to Zaq
Let me preface this by saying I'm not either angry or wowed by the O hiring. I'm in the wait and see and let him prove himself catergory since it's done. I am in the anti-Alleva group tho. He gets mad when Herman wants to take an interview with Texas when he was interviewing O. Kinda seems like a double standard to me. If you don't play my way, I'll take my ball and go home.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:13 am to Godfather1
Exactly
You could say Joe screwed Herman by pulling his offer
You could say Joe screwed Herman by pulling his offer
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:13 am to mikrit54
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Good. frick Herman.
He is unproven, wanted too much money, and was destined to leave for Texas or the NFL eventually, anyway. frick'em.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:16 am to Directional Tiger
Herman's first tenet in his core values is honesty. The foundation of his program philosophy is "act like a man, get treated like a man."
If he cant adhere to his own core values and the basis of his programs philosophy when attaining the job, i could see how one would view that person as a risk and walk from it.
Edited to add link.
If he cant adhere to his own core values and the basis of his programs philosophy when attaining the job, i could see how one would view that person as a risk and walk from it.
Edited to add link.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 10:18 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:17 am to Rougarou13
That's exactly what I was told, except that they were meeting Friday night to sign off on it and he was gonna be introduced at the presser Saturday.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:18 am to Zaq
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I don't know if a $7 million offer and total control lands Herman, but could we at least try?
No. Only Aleeva could. And he, having all the information, and being the guy who makes such decisions, decided not to. It will cost him his job if Coach O does not ball out. That's how it works.
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:18 am to Zaq
And if this is true...
...then Alleva is even more of a dumbass if he pays Orgeron any more than about $2 million per year. I mean, it IS his dream job and all.
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“Don’t worry. I have a guy who wants the job.”
...then Alleva is even more of a dumbass if he pays Orgeron any more than about $2 million per year. I mean, it IS his dream job and all.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/27/16 at 10:21 am to rintintin
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Ego is why. Alleva didn't want to feel bullied so he pulled the offer.
BS. Alleva saw he writing on the wall: Hermans agent was trying to initiate bidding war likely even leveraging LSU to get more concessions from Texas.
Alleva said no thanks, and when you have a guy like Orgeron lined up, you don't have to take those kinds of risks, esp think of the image hit Alleva and LSUnwould have taken if the scenario i articulated actually played out. LSU would have been played like a drum.
Alleva handled this one masterfully.
This post was edited on 11/27/16 at 10:24 am
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