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re: Rumor that Munoz and Trev Faulk will become analysts
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:57 am to Earthquake 88
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:57 am to Earthquake 88
Not at LCA
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 7:41 am to roguetiger15
He was at Vermilion Catholic and did Great. Then left for a HC job in Lafayette.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 8:21 am to TigerKW
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So is the 2 year rule coaches and/or immediate family members?
11.4
quote:Non-immediate family members are subject to review under the "but is not limited to" clause.
In football, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department noncoaching staff position or in a strength and conditioning staff position.
This definition includes, but is not limited to, parents, legal guardians, handlers, personal trainers and coaches. An individual who meets this definition retains such status during the enrollment of the prospective student-athlete at the institution.
BUT, they will likely pass that review if BOTH...
A) has sought employment or been offered employment at institution prior to
B) Is qualified. I.e., it's not cousin Eddie who never made it off the JV team at the 1A high school. That's just too obvious.
So Trev is probably fine but LSU will likely (probably already has) requested review/clarification from Indianapolis.
Only issue I see is that NCAA laid off (Covid) a bunch of staff. So I can see that review being delayed. Another but... in that case we hire him and if they don't like it after review we let him go (likely to another LA public institution), no penalties because we requested the clarification.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:34 am to I20goon
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Non-immediate family members are subject to review under the "but is not limited to" clause.
BUT, they will likely pass that review if BOTH...
A) has sought employment or been offered employment at institution prior to
B) Is qualified. I.e., it's not cousin Eddie who never made it off the JV team at the 1A high school. That's just too obvious.
As a former player, I would imagine Faulk's previous relationship with the school could be a factor as well. There have long been exceptions to recruiting and permissible contact rules due to preexisting relationships.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 9:38 am to Wayne Campbell
What has kept a guy like Trev from already taking the college plunge? I'm sure he could've been an analyst years ago, and may have already made the jump to position coach somewhere.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:08 am to I20goon
Thanks. At first blush seems like it would pass and if tbl says it's done I'll take his word. Hope it does happen and propels Trev - always was a fan of his.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 10:24 am to nicholastiger
Munoz will, not faulk
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:10 pm to wildtigercat93
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I feel like the NCAA will Unconfirm that for yo
NCAA Bylaw on hiring HS coaches etc.
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11.4.3 Individual Associated with a Prospective Student-Athlete -- Football. In football, during a two-year period before a prospective student-athlete's anticipated enrollment and a two-year period after the prospective student-athlete's actual enrollment, an institution shall not employ (or enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department noncoaching staff position or in a strength and conditioning staff position.
What do those bastards have against S&C?
So Trev would be an analyst, correct? Which is not an on-field position.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:21 pm to bayou85
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So Trev would be an analyst, correct? Which is not an on-field position.
Correct, but it would be interesting to see how the NCAA would come down on this situation with Trev specifically. As a former player he has a preexisting relationship with LSU.
There are exceptions made for recruiting rules where a preexisting relationship is in play, ie Trev Faulk as an alumni can't go up to the #1 recruit in the country and pitch him on LSU as he's considered to be affiliated with the university.
If that recruit is, say his nephew then he can pitch LSU all he wants.
This is somewhat an inverse of that situation. Can Faulk, as a relative of a signee, be employed by LSU given his previous affiliation with the school.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:02 pm to drob
quote:I be remember Shea Patterson brother Sean Patterson be hired away from LSU Miles Staff so Shea go to Ole Miss and dat what happen........
Do you remember Ole Miss hiring LSU QB commit brother
Posted on 1/7/21 at 4:25 pm to Wayne Campbell
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Can Faulk, as a relative of a signee, be employed by LSU given his previous affiliation with the school.
Just curious how the NCAA will look at this situation. Faulk is his uncle. Was his handler during recruiting. And his coach. With everyone on here trying to explain it as ok, kind makes it look like everyone on here thinks it looks a little shady or possible rules problem.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 5:15 pm to bayou85
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shall not employ (or enter into a contract for future employment with) an individual associated with the prospective student-athlete in any athletics department noncoaching staff position or in a strength and conditioning staff position.
quote:It specifically targets/applies to non-coaches.
So Trev would be an analyst, correct? Which is not an on-field position.
You CAN hire him as one of the 10 recognized coaches no problem at all.
The rule was specifically to prevent no-show jobs and "shadow staff" jobs.
quote:Typically, or historically, the NCAA sees those issues in order of being problematic:
Just curious how the NCAA will look at this situation. Faulk is his uncle. Was his handler during recruiting. And his coach.
1. Relative (but he's not parent or guardian)
2. Handler, and Booster/Alum. Alone a handler isn't an issue. Handler's aren't recognized by NCAA rules; but a handler can always be classified as a booster under the very broad definition of a booster.
3. His coach- this is 3rd in order because the NCAA doesn't really want to seek to limit the upward mobility of HS coaches, it just wants to be able to have the chance to review it IF it is being used as a loophole. If legit coach, they often overlook it.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 1/7/21 at 6:35 pm to I20goon
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Typically, or historically, the NCAA sees those issues in order of being problematic:
1. Relative (but he's not parent or guardian)
2. Handler, and Booster/Alum. Alone a handler isn't an issue. Handler's aren't recognized by NCAA rules; but a handler can always be classified as a booster under the very broad definition of a booster.
3. His coach- this is 3rd in order because the NCAA doesn't really want to seek to limit the upward mobility of HS coaches, it just wants to be able to have the chance to review it IF it is being used as a loophole. If legit coach, they often overlook it.
I think it's problematic because it was a package deal. Would Coach Orgeron still have offered Faulk a job had Ryan went to a different university? Just think it sets a precedent that it's ok to offer jobs to family members of top recruits.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:17 am to graves1
quote:IF the NCAA sees it as a package deal it is indeed a problem.
I think it's problematic because it was a package deal. Would Coach Orgeron still have offered Faulk a job had Ryan went to a different university? Just think it sets a precedent that it's ok to offer jobs to family members of top recruits.
As in my post above, relatives are the biggest worry for the NCAA. It is the most obvious impropriety. However, Trev is not a parent or legal guardian with is stated as verboten by the NCAA.
The fact that Trev is his coach is the next problem. But because he is also alum helps there, not hurts. I'll ask your question in reverse: Would LSU hire Trev if Sage wasn't a recruit? I think LSU could answer that in the affirmative; wouldn't have proof but definitely with some justification.
And end the end, the NCAA would ask Sage your question. Since Trev isn't a parent/guardian they would ask him: Is Trev the reason you are attending LSU? If he says no, and he isn't specifically forbidden (as a relative) they would let it pass... probably.
Posted on 1/8/21 at 7:33 am to graves1
quote:
Just curious how the NCAA will look at this situation. Faulk is his uncle. Was his handler during recruiting. And his coach. With everyone on here trying to explain it as ok, kind makes it look like everyone on here thinks it looks a little shady or possible rules problem.
Faulk is an LSU alum and former player. Both occurring (presumably) before his nephew was even born. All I'm saying is, if it was me, my first argument to the NCAA would be that Trev has a preexisting relationship with LSU the predates the recruitment and signing of his nephew.
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