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Reason it won't be O
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 9:42 am
I'm a big fan of O's if you look back at any of my posts, but I am also a HUGE fan of Herman's. I like Fisher but not sold, can accept him over many others though.
Saying that to put into context that while I like O, I'm a realist. I've heard several head coaches give coaching presentations over the past several years and O was one of the better after his stint at USC. However, he killed his shot Saturday. Maybe if he had beaten Alabama, but even then... this is Alleva's hire, a statement hire that is going to determine his legacy at LSU. You cannot - repeat - you cannot lose that game to Florida. Any other season it wouldn't have mattered. This season, however, with all the turmoil surrounding that game being rescheduled - losing that game is embarrassing to Alleva.
I can say with certainty about my opinion that Orgeron will not be retained. Also, having talked with him in the past - he won't stay at LSU if not retained. Too much pride and he knows he can be a successful head coach - I don't doubt that he can. It just won't be at LSU.
Listening to Herman this past spring, amazing presentation and the only other coach I have heard with as much in depth technical knowledge of the game is Aranda. I can only imagine the success this team could have if they hit it off well together and both stayed here a long time (not happening either since Aranda will head coach somewhere in the coming years)
Saying that to put into context that while I like O, I'm a realist. I've heard several head coaches give coaching presentations over the past several years and O was one of the better after his stint at USC. However, he killed his shot Saturday. Maybe if he had beaten Alabama, but even then... this is Alleva's hire, a statement hire that is going to determine his legacy at LSU. You cannot - repeat - you cannot lose that game to Florida. Any other season it wouldn't have mattered. This season, however, with all the turmoil surrounding that game being rescheduled - losing that game is embarrassing to Alleva.
I can say with certainty about my opinion that Orgeron will not be retained. Also, having talked with him in the past - he won't stay at LSU if not retained. Too much pride and he knows he can be a successful head coach - I don't doubt that he can. It just won't be at LSU.
Listening to Herman this past spring, amazing presentation and the only other coach I have heard with as much in depth technical knowledge of the game is Aranda. I can only imagine the success this team could have if they hit it off well together and both stayed here a long time (not happening either since Aranda will head coach somewhere in the coming years)
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:12 am to MrVoodoo
Coach O will be the next HC for the Cajuns.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:13 am to MrVoodoo
I'm not reading that.
His lifetime losing record as a head coach seems solid enough as a reason.
His lifetime losing record as a head coach seems solid enough as a reason.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:23 am to MrVoodoo
What gives you the idea that he can be a successful coach ? I'm really just trying to find someone to give me something besides recruiting or motivation.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:24 am to MrVoodoo
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I'm a big fan of O's
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I like Fisher but not sold
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:25 am to TheCaterpillar
yeah i laugh at that
how are you sold on/big fans of O but not sold on Fisher?
O holds no discernible coaching advantage over Fisher that I can think of, maybe DL recruiting 1v1?
how are you sold on/big fans of O but not sold on Fisher?
O holds no discernible coaching advantage over Fisher that I can think of, maybe DL recruiting 1v1?
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 11:27 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:26 am to MrVoodoo
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he knows he can be a successful head coach - I don't doubt that he can
I am curious what makes people think this...but I don't think I'll ever understand.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:26 am to MrVoodoo
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Reason
He sucks.
Next...
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:28 am to MrVoodoo
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Too much pride and he knows he can be a successful head coach - I don't doubt that he can. I
I doubt that he can. His lifetime record as a head coach sucks.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:28 am to MrVoodoo
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he can be a successful head coach - I don't doubt that he can
Based on what? Present your argument.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:32 am to MrVoodoo
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this is Alleva's hire, a statement hire that is going to determine his legacy at LSU
Better be Herman or better. You don't make a statement by hiring Les Miles OC to replace him.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:34 am to MrVoodoo
The reason is that he isn't deserving of the job. It's really that simple. If he wants to be the head coach of a big time program, he needs to go to a smaller school, and and build it up. Same as damn near every other successful coach.
This post was edited on 11/23/16 at 11:35 am
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:37 am to CalTiger53
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Better be Herman or better. You don't make a statement by hiring Les Miles OC to replace him.
God this is stupid. And you're stupid.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:43 am to TheCaterpillar
God I hate to see Les Miles program repeated at a higher price, this is stupid like a Caterpillar.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:43 am to MrVoodoo
It was never going to be coach O.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 11:45 am to MrVoodoo
Yeah that's way to many words for the title of this thread.
FIFY
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Reason it won't be O
Ole Miss record, Florida and Bama
FIFY
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:10 pm to The Egg
Again, having sat through numerous presentations and lectures from Head Coaches over the years I have been privileged to listen to some great guys speak. I won't go into depth on those, just that from a coaching perspective I went from not liking O to being a fan. Herman was amazing, I wasn't very impressed with Butch or Mcelwain. I was blown away by Herman and I gained a bit of respect for O.
I can only say that beyond watching Fisher on TV and applying win-loss records, he seems pretty good. Unfortunately I haven't been able to sit and hear him with any presentations. That is the sole reason I'm not sold - I'm not going to make a judgment of someone's capability to coach based off snippets and records that can be influenced by factors not related to coaching capability (not saying that is why O was horrible at Ole Miss, I had nothing for him before meeting him and sitting through a coaching presentation)
I can only say that beyond watching Fisher on TV and applying win-loss records, he seems pretty good. Unfortunately I haven't been able to sit and hear him with any presentations. That is the sole reason I'm not sold - I'm not going to make a judgment of someone's capability to coach based off snippets and records that can be influenced by factors not related to coaching capability (not saying that is why O was horrible at Ole Miss, I had nothing for him before meeting him and sitting through a coaching presentation)
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:11 pm to PairofDucks
all people can learn from their mistakes
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:15 pm to dannyz6869
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all people can learn from their mistakes
I agree. Let him do this at a smaller school.
Posted on 11/23/16 at 12:19 pm to PairofDucks
Agree he should go to a smaller school, but he did have a legit chance (albeit an uphill battle) when he was placed as an interim no matter what the armchair administrators think
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