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re: Question about the minority hiring thingy
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:29 am to JJ27
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:29 am to JJ27
LSU, USC, Michigan, Texas, etc are TOP TIER programs. When a coach leaves a top tier program, these institutions typically have a "short list" of well qualified, experienced candidates for the position -- and in most cases, these candidates come from a pool of people whom the institution has known for years (either because they represented a rival school or because they have other ties to the institution (i.e. - they played there)).
IF one of the people on that short list can be hired quickly, then it is absolutely shameful for both the institution and the minority candidate to participate in any "courtesy" interview simply to avoid scrutiny by minority interest(s).
Candidly, I believe these "courtesy" interviews do more to harm the credibility of VERY qualified coaches than actually help them secure a HC position.
In some instances, a minority candidate will be on the school's pre-made "short list". In other situations, the candidates on that "short list" might not work out and the institution should expand their selection process to include "qualified candidates" - PERIOD. Again, if you in any way attach the term "minority" to the interview-ee or if you in any way identify that candidate by anything other than their experience and education, I believe you are doing a terrible disservice to the actual qualifications of "minority" candidates.
IF one of the people on that short list can be hired quickly, then it is absolutely shameful for both the institution and the minority candidate to participate in any "courtesy" interview simply to avoid scrutiny by minority interest(s).
Candidly, I believe these "courtesy" interviews do more to harm the credibility of VERY qualified coaches than actually help them secure a HC position.
In some instances, a minority candidate will be on the school's pre-made "short list". In other situations, the candidates on that "short list" might not work out and the institution should expand their selection process to include "qualified candidates" - PERIOD. Again, if you in any way attach the term "minority" to the interview-ee or if you in any way identify that candidate by anything other than their experience and education, I believe you are doing a terrible disservice to the actual qualifications of "minority" candidates.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:38 am to TigerBull
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mabye theres not many black coaches in college b/c they arent smart enought or just cant or dont wantt to take the pressure
This is a joke right?
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:41 am to pelicanpride
I think it should be manditory to interview Asian candidates too.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:44 am to Aristo
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I think it should be manditory to interview Asian candidates too.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:44 am to longwayfromLA
I've always thought that a black coach would be a bit of an asset since so many of our players are black. It could help with recruiting.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:48 am to pelicanpride
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I've always thought that a black coach would be a bit of an asset since so many of our players are black. It could help with recruiting
It would help if he were the most qualified coach for job, otherwise it would be ridiculous to hire him for recruiting reasons only
This post was edited on 11/30/07 at 12:53 am
Posted on 11/30/07 at 12:53 am to Uncle JackD
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It would help if he were the most qualified coach for job, otherwise it would be ridiculous to hire him for recruiting reasons only
Yeah, that would be pretty stupid, but if he is qualified, being black could be a nice bonus. I don't really know if that sort of thing would actually matter in the minds of black recruits, though.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 1:43 am to JJ27
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Dumbass, you're condemning someone for being from Louisiana and stereotyping what you think his views are. Congratulations, you are as ignorant as the person you thought you were bettern than.
Congrats to you even dumber-arse the clause, "being from LA" obviously refers to the subject of the sentence, I. which means i wasn't condemning someone from being from LA but rather saying that since I am from LA i have certain experiences that lead to a certain opinion. the sentence is completely silent as to where the other person might be from.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 1:55 am to Uncle JackD
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Who gives a shite if they coaches are white, black, green or blue?!?! certain races are just LOOKING for reasons to bitch and play the race card. I guess vick and OJ are gettin unjust treatment b/c of there race too??
OJ got unjust treatment b/c of his race when he got off, but either way, i don't know what that has to do with anything? i don't remember him having aspirations of being a college coach which is what we're talking about, right?
anyhow, I'm a football fan. I actually don't care what a coaches color is. for instance, i would immediately fire two of the black coaches who do have jobs (Miami, and UCLA) b/c they suck. also, i would likely be angry at LSU if they hired an african american to replace miles. why? b/c i don't think there is any black coaches out there who have the necessary credentials to lead a program like LSU right now. However i'm not sure Duke could say the same thing, or many other programs that have openings. If i were a minority coordinator i would probably feel that all other things being equal it would be much more difficult for me to get a job than if i were not. maybe that's alright with you, if so, go with God.
This post was edited on 11/30/07 at 5:03 am
Posted on 11/30/07 at 1:59 am to SG_Geaux
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Blacks should be given more chances to be coaches, IF the same thing is done for white athletes
are you implying that there are white athletes out there who don't get a chance to play b/c they're white?
Posted on 11/30/07 at 2:07 am to longwayfromLA
How many White Coaches in the SWAC?
Posted on 11/30/07 at 2:30 am to RollingTiger
i'm quite sure that a qualified white coach could get a SWAC job. But who the eff wants to coach in the SWAC?
Posted on 11/30/07 at 2:39 am to longwayfromLA
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Dumbass, you're condemning someone for being from Louisiana and stereotyping what you think his views are. Congratulations, you are as ignorant as the person you thought you were bettern than.
Congrats to you even dumber-arse the clause, "being from LA" obviously refers to the subject of the sentence, I. which means i wasn't condemning someone from being from LA but rather saying that since I am from LA i have certain experiences that lead to a certain opinion. the sentence is completely silent as to where the other person might be from.
I think there is a definite implication that you believe lsusportsman2 is from Louisiana. If not, why mention that you are from Louisiana at all? Either way, you are making an assumption about someone based on very little information, which, ironically, is exactly the same thing that white people often do to blacks. Thus, JJ27's comment is valid.
Class dismissed.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 2:40 am to longwayfromLA
Speaking of the SWAC, something has always caught my attention. Why have I never heard of Pete Richardson being interviewed for any job in D-1. Even if the league isn't up to par, it's all still relative. The guy wins consistently and has proven he can coach but yet I've never heard his name once mentioned.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 2:47 am to longwayfromLA
The NFL has the rule deemed the Rooney law. It states all teams that are hiring a head coach must interview atleast one minority canidate.
After this year i would not be surprised if the NC double assholes implement the same rule.
Is this right? Well depends on how look at it. Look i'm just a fan i don't know anymore then most of you. What i do think though is that most college and pro teams already have the man they want in mind. They know who they want to run thier program/team. They know the type of coach they want to lead thier team to a championship.
I don't agree with the rooney rule. It's not 1960 anymore. If racism was really that much of an issue in both leagues of football would people be receptive to a black quarteback? I don't think so. This race card crap has to end. The poor us and the white man holding us back crap is old. If your the best man for the job you deserve it hands down. There is a reason why Tony Dungy is a headcoach. Because he was the best man for the job.
After this year i would not be surprised if the NC double assholes implement the same rule.
Is this right? Well depends on how look at it. Look i'm just a fan i don't know anymore then most of you. What i do think though is that most college and pro teams already have the man they want in mind. They know who they want to run thier program/team. They know the type of coach they want to lead thier team to a championship.
I don't agree with the rooney rule. It's not 1960 anymore. If racism was really that much of an issue in both leagues of football would people be receptive to a black quarteback? I don't think so. This race card crap has to end. The poor us and the white man holding us back crap is old. If your the best man for the job you deserve it hands down. There is a reason why Tony Dungy is a headcoach. Because he was the best man for the job.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:43 am to pelicanpride
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I think there is a definite implication that you believe lsusportsman2 is from Louisiana. If not, why mention that you are from Louisiana at all? Either way, you are making an assumption about someone based on very little information, which, ironically, is exactly the same thing that white people often do to blacks. Thus, JJ27's comment is valid.
where he's from is irrelevant, its where i'm from that matters. he could be from anywhere in the world, and my worldview wouldn't change. the statement is about my perception of a situation based on my experience living in LA, i mention it, b/c living in LA is essential to my perception. or rather i'm sure my views would be at least slightly different if i were from say alaska.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:50 am to TigerRoarInOhio
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The poor us and the white man holding us back crap is old. If your the best man for the job you deserve it hands down. There is a reason why Tony Dungy is a headcoach. Because he was the best man for the job.
Interesting you would bring him. how quickly you forget how many jobs he was passed up for, for years before getting that Tampa job. i agree with you though if you're the best man for the job you should get it. its just before the rooney; which doesn't make you hire a minority coach, just interview one, its remarkable how the best man for the job almost never seemed to have a black face. that wasn't the 1960's that was less than a decade ago. but i'm sure that was all just a coincidence.
Posted on 11/30/07 at 4:57 am to lsusportsman2
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i don't care, i hate african americans saying that every time they don't get something, they blame it on the white guys, it is the white guys fault, it pisses me off, but i don't care, we need to move on, we need to stop talking about race.
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