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re: Lane Kiffin to interview for Alabama OC job; Possibly today
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:27 am to YStar
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:27 am to YStar
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BTW, what are you sources saying now about Saban going to Texas?
Things changed. But it's ok. If saban hires kiffin, 2014 should be very entertaining.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 8:29 am
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:29 am to TheDoc
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lol wut
Ravens ran Cam Cameron out of town, got significantly better on offense then won the Super Bowl.
So yeah, your OC got ran out of Miami (head coach) and ran out of Baltimore (OC).
Dude lost 13 straight games at Miami.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:30 am to YStar
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and even failed miserably at his last OC job.
Except he didn't.
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This is fun, because none of you are witty and besides saying Kiffin is a dickhead (who doesn't know that?) know of you are actually bringing up valid points.
Kiffin turned his QBs this past year to shite. In his offense and with his playcalling, USC put up less than 200 total yards and 54 passing yards against Washington State (the 101st ranked defense in the country). Somehow when Kiffin is fired midseason the offense and QB gets back on track, but yeah he is an amazing offensive mind, QB developer, and playcaller.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:31 am to TheDoc
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Things changed. But it's ok.
Ahh, things changed. I'm assuming those things that were changing had nothing to do with the reality the rest of us are in.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:32 am to EarthwormJim
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Except he didn't.
He was ran out of town and this lead to his ex-team and offensive going on a tear and winning the Super Bowl.
Keep spinning the truth.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:33 am to YStar
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He was ran out of town and this lead to his ex-team and offensive going on a tear and winning the Super Bowl.
Whatever makes you feel better.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:35 am to rebeloke
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What things changed?
People quit lying.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:36 am to EarthwormJim
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Whatever makes you feel better.
Me? You mean you. You're attempting to ignore the fact he was fired mid-season and his team got significantly better because of it leading to a Super Bowl championship are the facts.
I also see you've avoided addressing the fact Cam Cameron was a horrendous head coach.
Keep the denial strong.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:37 am to rebeloke
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What things changed?
The required dosage of his prescription meds?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:43 am to YStar
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Me? You mean you. You're attempting to ignore the fact he was fired mid-season and his team got significantly better because of it leading to a Super Bowl championship are the facts
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I also see you've avoided addressing the fact Cam Cameron was a horrendous head coach.
What I'm I avoiding, he was a horrendous head coach, however he was a very good playcaller/OC and proved it in the NFL after failing as a head coach. Kiffin was 2 years of being a successful OC after being handed the reigns by one of the best offensive minds in the game. Everything he has done since then has been a failure.
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Keep the denial strong
What am I in denial about, again? Am I the one trying to make parallels between Lane Kiffin and 10 year NFL OC?
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:51 am to EarthwormJim
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Cameron had the Ravens in the top half of the NFL before he was fired. His offense wasn't a complete failure like Kiffins.
Ahhh! So they fired him because he was doing so well. No wonder!
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What I'm I avoiding, he was a horrendous head coach, however he was a very good playcaller/OC and proved it in the NFL after failing as a head coach.
Wait so you mean a person can fail as a head coach and still fall back to what they did to get there in the first place?
Shocker. Sounds like what Kiffin is trying to do now.
This goes back to my original point. Some coordinators are just not made to be head coaches. Cam Cameron and Lane Kiffin are examples. Hell at least Kiffin had successful seasons, Cam Cameron won ONE game as an NFL coach
There is nothing that supports Lane Kiffin being hired will automatically result in failure. That is just fear and desperation from Bama-obsessed posters who know that if this does work it could be huge.
This post was edited on 1/10/14 at 8:54 am
Posted on 1/10/14 at 8:57 am to YStar
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Ahhh! So they fired him because he was doing so well. No wonder!
Ok, well I see now that's impossible to have any type of discussion with you.
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There is nothing that supports Lane Kiffin being hired will automatically result in failure. That is just fear and desperation from Bama-obsessed posters who know that if this does work it could be huge.
Yes, that's it. We are all afraid of the power of Lane Kiffin. Congrats on the pick up
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:03 am to EarthwormJim
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Ok, well I see now that's impossible to have any type of discussion with you.
Why? Don't like when someone calls you out on your bullshite?
Care to address why this great OC who wasn't doing a poor job got fired? Care to elaborate why when he got fired his team got rejuvenated started putting up numbers and won the Super bowl?
Man up and stop twisting facts.
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Yes, that's it. We are all afraid of the power of Lane Kiffin. Congrats on the pick up
Yeah, I know but relax.. we haven't finalized anything yet though.
Not one decent point besides him being a shitty head coach has been brought up. Nothing which says he can't call plays. The only thing people say is he OC top quality with Pete Carroll.
So in short he can get top quality to perform consistently at a high level putting up amazing numbers? Thanks! That's exactly what we needed. Good enough for Pete Carroll, then I'm quite sure Saban can work with him.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:07 am to YStar
Cam Cameron wasn't ran out of town and he was fired just a few games before the playoffs, in which the ravens lost the majority of. Once they got to the playoffs they were a different story. Cam was fired bc harbaugh was pissed at him for not running the ball enough and other differences.
Those ravens still used his offense to win the Super Bowl, which is why he still got a Super Bowl ring.
No one is arguing that Cam Cameron is a good head coach but to say he isn't a great OC is just extremely unintelligent
Those ravens still used his offense to win the Super Bowl, which is why he still got a Super Bowl ring.
No one is arguing that Cam Cameron is a good head coach but to say he isn't a great OC is just extremely unintelligent
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:07 am to EarthwormJim
If you think Kiffin is comparable to Cam Cameron, I feel bad for you. There is no hope for you.
Cameron was successful as an OC everywhere he's been, even the Ravens for years. He was let go because of irreconcilable differences with Harbaugh and some players. Read Harbaugh's comments after he left.
That offense didn't all of a sudden become dominant. They were in the top half of the NFL and kept the same offense that Cameron installed and Flacco didn't have a single turnover in the playoffs. Their stats didn't shoot up after he left last year.
This year however, they broke away from Cameron's offense with incredible results
Cameron was a absurdly successful OC at several other stops.
Kiffin was on an offensive staff with Norm Chow and Sark. He has failed in epic fashion everywhere he has been since he had Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Lendale White, Mike Williams, Norm Chow, Pete Carroll, and Steve Sarkisian.
Look at his offense at Oakland, UT, and USC. Its hilarious you think this track record shows he will improve Alabama. He leaves scorched Earth behind him every where. He is an immature cancer and the fact that some Alabama fans are trying to defend this is absolutely hysterical.
Great hire though Bama.
Cameron was successful as an OC everywhere he's been, even the Ravens for years. He was let go because of irreconcilable differences with Harbaugh and some players. Read Harbaugh's comments after he left.
That offense didn't all of a sudden become dominant. They were in the top half of the NFL and kept the same offense that Cameron installed and Flacco didn't have a single turnover in the playoffs. Their stats didn't shoot up after he left last year.
This year however, they broke away from Cameron's offense with incredible results
Cameron was a absurdly successful OC at several other stops.
Kiffin was on an offensive staff with Norm Chow and Sark. He has failed in epic fashion everywhere he has been since he had Reggie Bush, Matt Leinart, Lendale White, Mike Williams, Norm Chow, Pete Carroll, and Steve Sarkisian.
Look at his offense at Oakland, UT, and USC. Its hilarious you think this track record shows he will improve Alabama. He leaves scorched Earth behind him every where. He is an immature cancer and the fact that some Alabama fans are trying to defend this is absolutely hysterical.
Great hire though Bama.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:07 am to rebeloke
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What things changed?
The blatant and obvious reality of the situation made it no longer possible for The Doc to pretend he had any clue what he was talking about.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:09 am to YStar
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YStar
This one reeks of defensiveness.
Glad you are so happy with the potential hire.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:13 am to YStar
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Care to address why this great OC who wasn't doing a poor job got fired? Care to elaborate why when he got fired his team got rejuvenated started putting up numbers and won the Super bowl?
He got fired because he clashed with Harbaugh. The Ravens going on to win the Superbowl doesn't diminish his resume' or accomplishments as an OC.
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Not one decent point besides him being a shitty head coach has been brought up. Nothing which says he can't call plays. The only thing people say is he OC top quality with Pete Carroll.
There's been plenty of decent points, you just refuse to acknowledge them. You are so blinded by your fandom that you can't see that Kiffin has a limited resume' as an OC, hasn't developed QBs, and is responsible for more failed offenses than succesful ones.
The reason LSU fans were excited about Cameron was because he had an extensive track record as an OC and QB developer. He was a sure fire upgrade at that position. I don't know how any Alabama fan can look at this hire and think it's an upgrade over what they had.
But I get it, you're a fan. You're blind to the failures and only see the limited success. But it would do you some good to learn how to argue and discuss without being a total douchebag.
Posted on 1/10/14 at 9:13 am to Dr. Shultz
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No one is arguing that Cam Cameron is a good head coach but to say he isn't a great OC is just extremely unintelligent
No differently than saying Lane Kiffin is a bad OC and play caller. Both are untrue and that was my point.
Lane Kiffin just like Cam Cameron is a bad head coach. Both have had success at OC and were trusted to be head coaches based off of this success. To write off Lane Kiffin as a failure at head coach is intelligent, he has failed there. To write off Lane Kiffin as an OC, under Nick Saban (of all people) is stupid.
You guys keep saying he will fail. If we do hire him and when he succeeds the same way Cam Cameron did even though people said he would fail, come back to eat your crow. I will be serving it.
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