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re: Keep an Eye out for.......A new contract for.....
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:43 pm to Coach in Waiting
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:43 pm to Coach in Waiting
What is Les Miles' salary based off of the other coaches in the SEC? NCAA?
Isn't he already one of the top 5 paid coaches in college football? If so, how many times in the last 3 years have we finished the season (after the bowls, LSU hasn't finished this year yet) in the top 5? top 10? top 15? How many SEC Championships has Les Miles won in his tenure at LSU? That's 6 years with talent comparable to any other program in the country.
Les Miles does not deserve a pay raise.
Isn't he already one of the top 5 paid coaches in college football? If so, how many times in the last 3 years have we finished the season (after the bowls, LSU hasn't finished this year yet) in the top 5? top 10? top 15? How many SEC Championships has Les Miles won in his tenure at LSU? That's 6 years with talent comparable to any other program in the country.
Les Miles does not deserve a pay raise.
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:44 pm to LSUMafia
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1) RP had character problems from the start and well before it got to that point.
Please. If Miles wouldn't have even recruited Perrilloux, everyone in the state of Louisiana would have wanted to lynch Miles. Let me guess, you're probably going to tell me you never wanted him.
That kid was on his way to be All-SEC. Believe what you want. And with him getting booted, it forced JLee and Jefferson to early playing time.
Now, he missed on those two, but it is what it is.
As for Lee, if he would have stayed, who's to say he wouldn't have been successful? There's no way to know. LSU had ONE spot for a QB, numbers wise. You don't know what Lee was telling him the entire time he was being recruited.
Now, he knows he has issues at QB, so he's going after a JUCO QB. When was the last time LSU went after one of those? Or has it ever even happened?
If Miles thought the QB position was fine, he'd recruit his reg. true fresh. QB and leave it at that.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:48 pm to Genghis Khan
quote:There is no auto rollover
t makes economic sense to give the man a raise in exchange for eliminating the 8 win, 1 yr. extension non sense.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:48 pm to TigerMyth36
quote:BOOM BITCH!
Only a tiny percentage of you moronic negatigers hate Les Miles. The normal human beings out there see what a great coach he has been for the university.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:50 pm to Prominentwon
quote:Please realize who you are arguing with ...
Please.
If Miles wouldn't have even recruited Perrilloux, everyone in the state of Louisiana would have wanted to lynch Miles. Let me guess, you're probably going to tell me you never wanted him.
That kid was on his way to be All-SEC. Believe what you want. And with him getting booted, it forced JLee and Jefferson to early playing time.
Now, he missed on those two, but it is what it is.
As for Lee, if he would have stayed, who's to say he wouldn't have been successful? There's no way to know. LSU had ONE spot for a QB, numbers wise. You don't know what Lee was telling him the entire time he was being recruited.
Now, he knows he has issues at QB, so he's going after a JUCO QB. When was the last time LSU went after one of those? Or has it ever even happened?
If Miles thought the QB position was fine, he'd recruit his reg. true fresh. QB and leave it at that
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:50 pm to Cadello
nobody really knows what the entire fanbases sentiment is towards miles. until someone takes a survey that incldues every LSU people need to quit acting like they know.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 7:53 pm to Coach in Waiting
quote:
There is no auto rollover
I understand that, but the fact it is even there and can be acted upon is a major point of consternation.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:03 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
Please.
If Miles wouldn't have even recruited Perrilloux, everyone in the state of Louisiana would have wanted to lynch Miles. Let me guess, you're probably going to tell me you never wanted him.
Umm... you really are very narrow-minded aren't you Prominentwon? Did I say that was a reason not to recruit him? No, I didn't. It was however a reason to ensure that you took a QB in 2006's class, yet Les chose not too. Hmm... Interesting.
Les' talent evaluations have often been way off on QBs and even worse, his actual retention has been horrific.
Again, Les' solution to the problem left by not getting a decent QB in 2006 particularly when JR decided to go pro was to allow Crowton a pet project with a kid that had nowhere near the arm strength to QB in the SEC.
This is a fact. Les has sucked at recruting QBs here at LSU. PERIOD!
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:04 pm to Genghis Khan
quote:When coaches have good years, their contracts are extended, no matter what is in the contract. That provision really does not do much at all and has gotten way more discussion and concern than it warrants.
I understand that, but the fact it is even there and can be acted upon is a major point of consternation.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:06 pm to Genghis Khan
I believe, which I stated earlier, that the length of any state contract can only be 7 years in total with up to 5 years guaranteed at a time.
That is why Les' contract can only get rolled over until 2014. His contract cannot go beyond that anyway assuming he hadn't gotten in both of the previous years. He would get the rollover this year most likely, especially if they win the bowl game.
So reworking the contract is not going to help LSU as Les is not going to give up his guaranteed money.
That is why Les' contract can only get rolled over until 2014. His contract cannot go beyond that anyway assuming he hadn't gotten in both of the previous years. He would get the rollover this year most likely, especially if they win the bowl game.
So reworking the contract is not going to help LSU as Les is not going to give up his guaranteed money.
This post was edited on 11/30/10 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:10 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
as Les is not going to give up his guaranteed money
See the NCAA recruiting violation point.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:21 pm to Prominentwon
quote:
so he's going after a JUCO QB. When was the last time LSU went after one of those? Or has it ever even happened
Bryan Sparacino, NW Miss JC, '96.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:24 pm to Genghis Khan
quote:
See the NCAA recruiting violation point.
Unless LSU gets it as a major violation, it will not be deemed anything against Les and his contract. I think that's been stated numerous times.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:27 pm to Maximus
quote:
he made $3.8 million to finish 3rd in the SEC West
How much did saban make to finish 4th? Or Meyer for that matter?
BTW - quit hijacking this thread.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:29 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
So reworking the contract is not going to help LSU as Les is not going to give up his guaranteed money.
So you're saying if LSU extended his contract for another year or two, but negotiated to keep the buyout at the current amount, this would not help LSU?
To my understanding, LSU would have twice the length of the contract remaining to pay the buyout, correct?
Going by this, they could offer him a longer contract and effectively lengthen the period of the buyout, thus, lowering the amount per year of the buyout.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:36 pm to jdutch75
quote:
So you're saying if LSU extended his contract for another year or two, but negotiated to keep the buyout at the current amount, this would not help LSU?
To my understanding, LSU would have twice the length of the contract remaining to pay the buyout, correct?
Going by this, they could offer him a longer contract and effectively lengthen the period of the buyout, thus, lowering the amount per year of the buyout.
Possibly, but then, while maintaining that buyout, it will not drop as significantly each year.
Say his current buyout is $15 Million due over the next 4 years. If they rework his contract as you say and keep the buyout at 15 Million and extend him to say 6 years. Let's give this scenario.
LSU tanks next season and goes 4-8. If Les' contract is kept the same, his buyout is $11.5 Million. If you extend it to 6 years, it's $12.5 Million.
Say he goes over 2 years poorly and is than fired? Instead of his buyout being $7.5 Million, it's no $10 million.
LSU loses unless he stays through the life of the contract. PERIOD.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:50 pm to belowpar
Everyone can spin it however they want, Miles is already a top 3 paid SEC coach. He doesn't deserve a raise because he hasn't exceeded his current pay rank since that National Title pay raise.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 8:55 pm to LSUMafia
quote:
LSU loses unless he stays through the life of the contract. PERIOD
I agree with what you're saying. LSU really screwed themselves by accepting the terms of the current contract.
I was just looking at a way LSU could get out of paying such a large amount per year.
If LSU is indeed planning to extend LM's contract, they would have to be crazy to allow the current buyout option to increase with the extension.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 9:05 pm to belowpar
Belowpar,
An increase in annual salary? How are they going to justify that and deal with the tremendous PR backlash?
Most people realize academics and athletics run on seperate budgets. However, LSU is on the verge of laying off 1/3 of its faculty members, the largest budget cuts in the nation. Its made national news from LA Times, Washington Post to New York Times.
They are getting ready to axe entire departments. A bump in Miles salary from 3.8 to 4.1M could be viewed as saving an entire dept (such as religion studies or foreign languages).
LSU athletics has to issue statements itterating athletics operates on its own self sustaning budget each and every time something is done for athletics (new basketball practice facility, new track and field resurfacing, etc...).
In times like these when faculty/staff are not allowed raises or given pink slips does not sit well when athletic coaches are given large raises.
An increase in annual salary? How are they going to justify that and deal with the tremendous PR backlash?
Most people realize academics and athletics run on seperate budgets. However, LSU is on the verge of laying off 1/3 of its faculty members, the largest budget cuts in the nation. Its made national news from LA Times, Washington Post to New York Times.
They are getting ready to axe entire departments. A bump in Miles salary from 3.8 to 4.1M could be viewed as saving an entire dept (such as religion studies or foreign languages).
LSU athletics has to issue statements itterating athletics operates on its own self sustaning budget each and every time something is done for athletics (new basketball practice facility, new track and field resurfacing, etc...).
In times like these when faculty/staff are not allowed raises or given pink slips does not sit well when athletic coaches are given large raises.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 9:07 pm to jdutch75
I think you guys are getting yourself way too worked up over this.
This is all going to happen over the next while, nothing immediate. These things take time, but I believe the contract changes should benefit both sides otherwise it wouldn't be happening.
What the changes will be is completely unknown at this point, but there will be negotiations.
As far as the rollover, how long it is rolled over for, the amount guaranteed....all that stuff I don't think is as black/white as everyone thinks. Yes I believe LSU has in mind what they have "approved" or whatever Mafia keeps arguing, but I think Miles and some people in his camp/legal team may think differently and would prefer everything to be more black/white to avoid any possible future legal issues and this could be contributing to everyone wanting to re-negotiate.
This is all going to happen over the next while, nothing immediate. These things take time, but I believe the contract changes should benefit both sides otherwise it wouldn't be happening.
What the changes will be is completely unknown at this point, but there will be negotiations.
As far as the rollover, how long it is rolled over for, the amount guaranteed....all that stuff I don't think is as black/white as everyone thinks. Yes I believe LSU has in mind what they have "approved" or whatever Mafia keeps arguing, but I think Miles and some people in his camp/legal team may think differently and would prefer everything to be more black/white to avoid any possible future legal issues and this could be contributing to everyone wanting to re-negotiate.
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