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re: Keep an Eye out for.......A new contract for.....
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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LSU could win the national championship for three years in a row under Miles, and people like Maximus would still want him to be fired.
Of course because there would be games we could have lost!
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Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:37 pm to LSUMafia
If his annual salary is raised, he will be giving something up on his end.
I'm guessing the powers that be had enough shite in their drawers after the Ole Miss '09 and Tennessee games with that buyout staring them in the face, that they would be more than happy to give the man a raise, if he were willing to negotiate on the buyout end.
I'm guessing the powers that be had enough shite in their drawers after the Ole Miss '09 and Tennessee games with that buyout staring them in the face, that they would be more than happy to give the man a raise, if he were willing to negotiate on the buyout end.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:38 pm to Tiger4Ever
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Mafia, I am still working on it, but someone commented on it regarding a Les/OSU article that was recently published. The commenter said:
I stand corrected then, but you do realize that was his first head coaching job and he was trying to keep the older assistants, right? If Les is willing to give up 30% of his salary to pay more to assistants, he can get an extra year on his contract to me. This is assuming his total guaranteed money also drops by 30%, because anything that gives him more guarateed money and makes LSU owe more overall money between him and his assistants.
If we win the SEC West next year and the SEC than I think you give him more overall money.
I just think it's stupid to reward him with more money for this year.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:41 pm to LSUMafia
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I stand corrected then, but you do realize that was his first head coaching job and he was trying to keep the older assistants, right?
Of course. My only point is that he HAS done it in the past...I also was clear I didn't think that had anything to do with this proposed renegotiation of his contract.
When it is said and done, we just have to see what the new contract stipulates...if there even is a new contract.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:43 pm to LSUMafia
I could easily see how and why this happens.
Miles has a horrible contract from LSU's perspective. If things ever go wrong with Miles they are screwed because of his buyout and the rollover. This also makes future contracts difficult because they have to sort of match this one to a degree.
There are very likely some things in the contract that Miles doesn't like either. Perhaps the UM buyout. Perhaps other things.
If I were LSU i would gladly give him a zero dollar UM buyout and more money per year in exchange for a buy-out provision in the contract that is more favorable to the school if they were to ever let him go. I would also prefer no rollover provision in the contract.
I will say this however...some weeks ago when things were looking not as great for Miles the talk was that his buyout money could be raised from donors but that politically it was impossible to fire a "successful coach", pay a large buyout, and then pay a new coach. If this is so...how in the world can they sell Miles...the highest paid employee of the university i would expect...getting a raise while they are cutting university positions?
Miles has a horrible contract from LSU's perspective. If things ever go wrong with Miles they are screwed because of his buyout and the rollover. This also makes future contracts difficult because they have to sort of match this one to a degree.
There are very likely some things in the contract that Miles doesn't like either. Perhaps the UM buyout. Perhaps other things.
If I were LSU i would gladly give him a zero dollar UM buyout and more money per year in exchange for a buy-out provision in the contract that is more favorable to the school if they were to ever let him go. I would also prefer no rollover provision in the contract.
I will say this however...some weeks ago when things were looking not as great for Miles the talk was that his buyout money could be raised from donors but that politically it was impossible to fire a "successful coach", pay a large buyout, and then pay a new coach. If this is so...how in the world can they sell Miles...the highest paid employee of the university i would expect...getting a raise while they are cutting university positions?
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:44 pm to Tiger4Ever
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When it is said and done, we just have to see what the new contract stipulates...if there even is a new contract.
Agreed. I don't hate Miles. I just don't like him as LSU's coach and do not think he's worth the guaranteed money he has in his corner right now.
I think he's actually a good but not great coach that can recruit extremely well and run a pretty clean program. He can win and that is why I think Michigan would be a perfect fit for him.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:46 pm to tigersruledude
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I will say this however...some weeks ago when things were looking not as great for Miles the talk was that his buyout money could be raised from donors but that politically it was impossible to fire a "successful coach", pay a large buyout, and then pay a new coach. If this is so...how in the world can they sell Miles...the highest paid employee of the university i would expect...getting a raise while they are cutting university positions?
Very true. We're already hearing about money issues for the state, and how paying so much for ahtletics is somewhat absurd, yet we're going to give Miles more money. It's quite funny actually.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:46 pm to LSUMafia
maybe they have some clock management penalties / incentives
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:50 pm to ironsides
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maybe they have some clock management penalties / incentives
I'd be all for meltdown (OM game in 09) and near meltdown (UT this year) games being stipulated in the contract to lose him money.
I also would be fine with him being required to pay $1 million per year of his salary into an insurance policy for LSU fans that go through Post-tramatic syndrome following those games.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:50 pm to LSUMafia
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Agreed. I don't hate Miles. I just don't like him as LSU's coach and do not think he's worth the guaranteed money he has in his corner right now.
I like Miles and I like the type of program he runs (to date) and the way the players seem to love him. He obviously relates with his players and prospective players, hence his ability to recruit.
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I think he's actually a good but not great coach that can recruit extremely well and run a pretty clean program. He can win and that is why I think Michigan would be a perfect fit for him.
Exactly....except for the going to Michigan part. He made a solid hire with Chavis and I think he is capable of doing that again. As much as we hate his "loyalty", that likely goes a long way in bringing on assistants.
He has made solid hires, and if he does so again with the OC gig, I think it puts LSU right back into contention on a national level (hell, we were this year until last Saturday).
LSU will be a favorite in the SEC next year with the losses the other top teams are going to experience....an OC that is marginally better than Crowton probably has us in Atlanta.
I will say, I cussed Miles up and down numerous times this year...but we were 10-2 when most expected 8-4.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:58 pm to Tiger4Ever
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LSU will be a favorite in the SEC next year with the losses the other top teams are going to experience....an OC that is marginally better than Crowton probably has us in Atlanta.
Once again, even our dramatic improvement on defense when Chavis came in was 32nd to 26th in total defense. Scoring defense went up from the 50's to the teens, which is expected when you don't have 42 points alone spotted by your offense. Take those out and we went from 30th to 11th. Very good improvement.
Having a better OC by statistics may also mean we have more turnovers and play defense differently. You can't assume one or the other.
Saints are a perfect example. If you claimed last year that we'd have the defense in the top 6-7 this season, do you think people would be surpised that we were 5-3 at the halfway point?
Changing one thing doesn't = better record.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 4:59 pm to Tiger4Ever
I'll jump in this conversation since everyone else is.
Miles has had a good year with No QB. It could be argued that he has done his best coaching job this year. (And I am a negatiger)
But who is at fault for LSU current QB problem. Who is at fault for Keeping Crouton and Stud after last year. (The Oline was improved this year)
Miles can get an extension but LSU and He should be able to part ways over an agreeable amount..........Not the amount it would cost now.
A long term deal WITH TEETH for LSU at this point would be foolish.
A long term deal with little teeth for LSU would be fine
Miles has had a good year with No QB. It could be argued that he has done his best coaching job this year. (And I am a negatiger)
But who is at fault for LSU current QB problem. Who is at fault for Keeping Crouton and Stud after last year. (The Oline was improved this year)
Miles can get an extension but LSU and He should be able to part ways over an agreeable amount..........Not the amount it would cost now.
A long term deal WITH TEETH for LSU at this point would be foolish.
A long term deal with little teeth for LSU would be fine
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:01 pm to LSUdm21
I don't mind Miles being here. I mind craptastic offensive coordinator, Gary Crowton being at LSU past 5pm today.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:04 pm to MoreOrLes
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I think he's actually a good but not great coach that can recruit extremely well and run a pretty clean program. He can win and that is why I think Michigan would be a perfect fit for him.
pretty much my thoughts on the matter. i think he's a good guy and i know i never have to worry about us getting into serious ncaa trouble, but i think both parties would be better served if he moved on to another job.
how he handles the oc situation this offseason will go a long way in determining his future here imo. hopefully he makes the right choice, because as much as i would like to see him leave i want LSU to win much, much more.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:07 pm to LSUMafia
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Once again, even our dramatic improvement on defense when Chavis came in was 32nd to 26th in total defense. Scoring defense went up from the 50's to the teens, which is expected when you don't have 42 points alone spotted by your offense. Take those out and we went from 30th to 11th. Very good improvement.
The big improvement was in conference play. We went from 10th in conference (367 ypg) to 5th (328 ypg). Scoring defense went from 9th (24 ppg) to 3rd (16 ppg). Our defenese in 08 dominated the ooc teams outside of Troy. In 09 we weren't as dominating and part of that was because we had shitty time of possesion.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:07 pm to LSUMafia
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Changing one thing doesn't = better record.
I agree with you in theory, but I think you have to look at the 2010 LSU season on its own as well.
The bottom line is our defense had us in EVERY game despite what was often a completely inept and one dimensional offense. Logic says a more capable offense would have aided this LSU team more than hinder it.
Hell, I can play your game too...I can argue that a more capable offense would have extended drives and may have allowed the defense additional rest as the game progressed. The result potentially being a less big plays against the defense.
But again, my point is that when you look at this team we had overall very good to excellent special teams play and very good defensive play. The offense was putrid short of the Alabama 2nd half and the Ole Miss game.
Logic says a less than putrid offense would have equaled a greater chance at success throughout the season...regardless of what was going on with the 2009 and 2010 New Orleans Saints.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:11 pm to cigtyme
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Chicken can u make an ignore poster action so we don't have to read anything Maximus post ever again! Just a thought, an ignore user button would make this place feel empty!
Maximus is a Vanderbilt fan. How can you be a fan of Vanderbilt Football. That's like being a fan of fail.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:17 pm to MoreOrLes
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But who is at fault for LSU current QB problem.
Recruiting is a hit or miss game.
You win some, you lose some. With Jefferson and Lee, he lost. He's working on bringing in someone better.
He may have been at fault, but when you're at fault, aren't you expected to overcome that fault and do what you can to become successful?
As for the coaches still being there, I really think Miles did want to get rid of Crowton last year.....but there was nothing there to replace him. This year may be better timing. We'll see.
Posted on 11/30/10 at 5:23 pm to LSU Fan Stuck in MS
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Maximus is a Vanderbilt fan. How can you be a fan of Vanderbilt Football. That's like being a fan of fail.
Booooooooooooom
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