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re: Just a reminder Steve Ensminger IS our OC...we AREN’T looking for one
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:20 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:20 am to Lester Earl
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Because we know what his offenses look like and it’s not good
This is the issue I have with this whole debate. It's obvious that the program has moved to a completely new offense. Everyone from Orgeron on down has bought into it.
It's lazy thinking that they would just revert back.
Implementing an offense and calling plays on game-day are two different skills and responsibilities.
The offense has been implemented. Insinuating the offense will now change is just being contrarian.
It's a legitimate question to ask if Ensminger can handle the play-calling, even though the evidence seems to point to yes.
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Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:25 am to Alt26
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Certainly that is possible. However, the difference between O and Les is that Les absolutely refused to adapt even though it was clear what he was doing wasn't quite good enough. O hasn't been afraid to make changes when he feels they are necessary.
Does any reasonable LSU fan expect a repeat of 2019 next season? Of course not. But it's not as if recruiting has fallen off a cliff and this was just one magical year where a ton of talent all coalesced. LSU is still recruiting well under O. And as long as the talent is there, good coaches can get them in the right spots.
O may never make another playoff appearance at LSU. But I'm certain it won't be because he flat out refused to make changes when necessary. THAT was the reason for LSU's long stay in good football purgatory
Kudos man. That was a very intelligent take.
And I'm not being sarcastic.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:37 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It's a legitimate question to ask if Ensminger can handle the play-calling, even though the evidence seems to point to yes.
With that logic we should just promote Raymond to DC. He’s been in Arandas system for 4 years now. He can handle the play calling....
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:44 am to Magician2
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With that logic we should just promote Raymond to DC. He’s been in Arandas system for 4 years now. He can handle the play calling....
So in your world, Ensminger and Raymond occupied the same relative position on their side of the ball?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:48 am to SportTiger1
What’s funny is the “Brady wasn’t that big of a deal crowd” were the same ones lauding him last offseason as the boy genius savior. I doubted the hell out of it all offseason because I’ve been fooled by the LSU offense savior one too many times. But I’m not really sure how one would see the results of this past season and come to the conclusion he was only a small part of a historic turnaround. Not saying Steve did nothing but if we’re assigning percentages on a pie chart, Burrow and Brady are taking up most of it.
Also when you call Steve the primary play caller it comes with the note that Brady handled 3rd downs and red zone play calls...kind of important especially when you consider our efficiency in both areas.
Look I’m not trying to diminish or run down Steve but I’m not sure how anyone sees his history as a sole OC and has such faith that we’re just fine with him running the show.
Also when you call Steve the primary play caller it comes with the note that Brady handled 3rd downs and red zone play calls...kind of important especially when you consider our efficiency in both areas.
Look I’m not trying to diminish or run down Steve but I’m not sure how anyone sees his history as a sole OC and has such faith that we’re just fine with him running the show.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 9:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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It's a legitimate question to ask if Ensminger can handle the play-calling, even though the evidence seems to point to yes.
Its absolutely not a turnkey situation.
Just cause he has “the plays” doesn’t mean he calls them in the same sequencing or with the same aggression. It doesn’t mean he won’t revert when things get a little tough. There’s no way he is a success just because he has the plays. He’s an old dog. It’s not what he knows or what he’s familiar with.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:00 am to Lester Earl
Like I said, questioning the play-calling is fair game, in my opinion.
But it's obvious the play calling was shared and Ensminger called at least half the plays, if not considerably more. I believe that each coach had input on the others, and provided opinions and feedback.
But it's certainly an unknown, and up for debate. I don't think it's up for debate that the offense will change. Anyone suggesting that LSU is all of the sudden going to revert back to some Miles offense, is being purposefully contrarian.
The offense we saw this year is the offense we will see going forward. Will it be as productive and efficient with different coaches and players?
That's the question. Of course, that's the question for every team that loses coaches and players.
But it's obvious the play calling was shared and Ensminger called at least half the plays, if not considerably more. I believe that each coach had input on the others, and provided opinions and feedback.
But it's certainly an unknown, and up for debate. I don't think it's up for debate that the offense will change. Anyone suggesting that LSU is all of the sudden going to revert back to some Miles offense, is being purposefully contrarian.
The offense we saw this year is the offense we will see going forward. Will it be as productive and efficient with different coaches and players?
That's the question. Of course, that's the question for every team that loses coaches and players.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:13 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I'm more concerned about ability to teach position techniques, routes concepts, checks and audibles needed to run the offense. In short how to develop the players for this offense.
Georgia ran a lot of the same plays. But couldn't execute as well. They have talent. But they didn't develop that talent well enough to execute at our level.
Georgia ran a lot of the same plays. But couldn't execute as well. They have talent. But they didn't develop that talent well enough to execute at our level.
This post was edited on 1/20/20 at 10:13 am
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:16 am to Tiger Ryno
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They have talent.
Their talent at the skill positions was nowhere near LSU.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:26 am to LSU Bayou Tiger
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The reason why Ed O doesn't simply go out and hire another OC is that he knows he has a very good one already. Hence, since he isn't nearly as severely mentally deficient as you obviously are, he's not stupid enough to go out and hire someone he doesn't need.
Ensminger, the "very good" OC that you reference, is apparently so good that Orgeron felt the need to go out and hire a 30 year old kid to come in and redesign the entire offense. He literally entrusted a 30 year old to come in and have complete autonomy to rewrite the LSU offense from the ground up.
That's completely unnecessary if you have a "very good" OC already in place.
Every rational individual knows that Ensminger was a titular OC this season. This was Brady's offense.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:36 am to Cs
Play calling and offense installation are two completely different skills and responsibilities.
You can't seem to separate the two.
And nearly every major college has a passing game coordinate now. It has gone from a novelty position to almost a requirement. Adding a PGC does not equate to your OC being unqualified.
You can't seem to separate the two.
And nearly every major college has a passing game coordinate now. It has gone from a novelty position to almost a requirement. Adding a PGC does not equate to your OC being unqualified.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:43 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Play calling and offense installation are two completely different skills and responsibilities.
I completely agree.
Brady wrote the playbook, he worked with the WRs/QBs on route running, timing, rhythm, technique, etc. He continually designed new plays and implemented new concepts.
Brady's on the field coaching is why the offense executed at the level it did. It didn't matter who was calling the plays.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:47 am to Tiger Ryno
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eorgia ran a lot of the same plays. But couldn't execute as well. They have talent. But they didn't develop that talent well enough to execute at our level.
They ran the same running schemes. Passing is a completely different story. My fiancé is a dawg so watched all of their games this year. Passing was atrocious.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:48 am to Cs
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Brady wrote the playbook,
Negative.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:50 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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So in your world, Ensminger and Raymond occupied the same relative position on their side of the ball?
E was a position coach for a decade before his current role. He was a washed up non successful OC in a previous life.
I stand by my comparison looking at the current situation when O took over.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 10:59 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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nd nearly every major college has a passing game coordinate now. It has gone from a novelty position to almost a requirement. Adding a PGC does not equate to your OC being unqualified.
how often does the PGC coach's salary eclipse that of the supposed OC?
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:07 am to Magician2
Coaches can't evolve and grow like players? Orgeron did as a failed HC? You're just going to ignore what Burrow and everyone else around the program said about Ensminger/Munoz impact on this offense with Brady? Okay.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:10 am to RedSoloSpitCup
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LSU will come back to the pack in a big way next year, and the pack is only getting better with the quality of coaching hires in the last few years.
LSU has recruited & still recruits at a very high level. When it comes to the SEC West, Alabama is the only competition there.
Even with poor quality offensive coaching in the past, the talent at LSU allowed the program to remain highly competitive.
Many of the losses at the end of Miles tenure & at the beginning of the Orgeron era were strictly due to an inept, outdated offensive philosophy.
You sky screamers hoping & praying that 2019 was a blimp on the radar for the Tigers, know deep down that isn't the truth. Will LSU have another record setting offense in 2020 equal to that of 2019? No but the 2020 will be very good in its own right. Keep believing that the Tigers will fall off in 2020. You are only setting yourself up for another great melt in November.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:21 am to BilJ
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how often does the PGC coach's salary eclipse that of the supposed OC?
Probably never, and it didn't happen at LSU either.
Posted on 1/20/20 at 11:31 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Brady wrote the playbook,
Negative.
Haha
Bwhahahaha
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