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re: Jon Embree plays race card regarding his firing
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:32 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:32 am to ProjectP2294
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Just because that's what they keep saying doesn't make it true.
There's always going to be opponents of black advancement. There were people opposed to the abolition of slavery. There were people opposed to desegregation.
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Nobody should care about the advancement of black coaches, or white coaches, or latino, or asian or martian. They should only care about the advancement of competent coaches.
That's your opinion.
Blacks, in general, love and need mainstream(historically and traditionally white) opportunities. And they always will and there are always going to be black advocacy groups pressuring institutions to give blacks opportunities. It's a just a fact of modern American life.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 10:34 am
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:35 am to Rocket
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There's always going to be opponents of black advancement. There were people opposed to slavery. There were people opposed to desegregation.
What does this have to do with the absurd theory of blacks getting the worst jobs and not enough time to turn them around?
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That's your opinion.
That's because I don't look at everything through the prism of race like apparently these black advocates and you, their self-appointed spokesperson, do.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:35 am to jcole4lsu
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with the success of people like dungy, tomlin, and lovie smith, what is the need to "force" a team to interview a black coach? blacks have proven they can be competent - even outstanding - coaches, and thats ALL that nfl teams care about. your argument is asinine.
My argument would be asinine if there was never a need for a Rooney rule in the first place. It just wasn't that black coaches weren't getting hired, they weren't getting interviews. Kinda hard to get a job if you can't even get an interview.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:38 am to ProjectP2294
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What does this have to do with the absurd theory of blacks getting the worst jobs and not enough time to turn them around?
I can tell you are opposed to the advancement of black coaches and your arguements/reasoning on why this and that shouldn't be isn't going to change anything.
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That's because I don't look at everything through the prism of race like apparently these black advocates and you, their self-appointed spokesperson, do.
I'm just keeping it real. Black coaches are real in America. They are not going anywhere. They love the NFL and FBS football. ANd they want the good jobs just like white coaches always had. And that's not going to change anytime soon.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:39 am to Rocket
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here's always going to be opponents of black advancement
name these people. please tell me anyone at a position of power in the nfl or a major college that has a specific agenda to keep blacks down.
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There were people opposed to the abolition of slavery. There were people opposed to desegregation.
yeah that was a long time ago friend. none of these retards are decision makers in the nfl or ncaa.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:43 am to Rocket
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I can tell you are opposed to the advancement of black coaches and your arguements/reasoning on why this and that shouldn't be isn't going to change anything.
You are flat out retarded if you think that's what I've been saying. quote:
Black coaches are real in America. They are not going anywhere. They love the NFL and FBS football.
And a lot of them are extremely good at what they do, so why should it be necessary to call them black coaches and not just "good football coaches"?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:44 am to Rocket
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name these people.
Jcole4lsu
ProjectP
You have gone off the deep end. I will be RA'ing your post for throwing out baseless accusations.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:47 am to ProjectP2294
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You are flat out retarded if you think that's what I've been saying.
It's the underlying connation of what you've been saying
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a lot of them are extremely good at what they do, so why should it be necessary to call them black coaches and not just "good football coaches"?
Please. Spare me that shite on how everything should be.
The reality is race is still a radioactive topic in this country, right or wrong, for better or for worse. There is still a lot of racial tension in this country because of the way it relates to history, wealth, power, and opportunity.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 10:48 am to ProjectP2294
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I will be RA'ing your post for throwing out baseless accusations.
Your posts are all I need to have grounds to throw out those accusatios.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:08 am to Rocket
So should a non-HBCU set out to hire a black coach, or just a coach in general? David Shaw, Kevin Sumlin, are two of the best in the game. They got hired on their merits and abilities. This push to hire black coaches because their are so many black athletes is stupid. I've seen a lot of great players that couldn't coach a lick, and a lot of average, poor, or even non-players that are really good coaches. Playing great doesn't equal coaching great.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 11:26 am
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:11 am to undecided
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I think his race was why he was ultimately hired but the long-term plan was to fire whoever the coach was for a higher end prospect
True to a degree, but I think him showing ANY level of competence as their coach may have gotten him another season to prove himself.
Coaches who put up records of 3-9 or worse with no sign of an improvement on the horizon generally don't stay employed long. Well... unless they're tied in with the Auburn good ole boy network and get hired there.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:16 am to Rocket
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Rocket
have fun with all those conspiracies running around in your head.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:39 am to jcole4lsu
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have fun with all those conspiracies running around in your head.
What conspiracies?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:42 am to Rocket
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And there's some truth to it. But the advancement of black coaches isn't a big priority to alot of people other than blacks.
As a handicapped American I demand that there be at least 1 handicapped coach in the NCAA and that every school interview at least 1 handicapped candidate.
But the advancement of handicapped Americans in professional sports isn't a big priority to a lot of people other than handicapped Americans.
/sarc
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:44 am to Rocket
quote:It's connotation.
It's the underlying connation of what you've been saying
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:47 am to jcole4lsu
that's the point lol
without the rooney rule, Mike Tomlin.. who at the time was a first year defensive coordinator, doesn't get a sniff at a HC job. he blew them away on his interview and it turned heads around the league.
without the rooney rule, Mike Tomlin.. who at the time was a first year defensive coordinator, doesn't get a sniff at a HC job. he blew them away on his interview and it turned heads around the league.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:47 am to Rig
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It's connotation.
Thanks. I'm thinking of hiring you as a grammar/spell check assistant.
I have a Rooney Rule. So if you are black, you will qualify for an interview
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:48 am to Rocket
I'm mixed.. does this count?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 11:51 am to songofthesword
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without the rooney rule, Mike Tomlin.. who at the time was a first year defensive coordinator, doesn't get a sniff at a HC job
How often do first year defensive coordinators get interviewed for head coaching jobs for historically good programs/teams?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 12:03 pm to MFn GIMP
What about Latinos, women, deaf coaches and blind coaches?
Dammit they need a shot. They could blow away their interview like tomlin. Cuz he never woulda got hired without a special rule for blacks, right?
Yeah I bet auburn just would hate to have sumlin right now huh?
Btw how many white head at a bcs school had one win and KEPT their job?
Dammit they need a shot. They could blow away their interview like tomlin. Cuz he never woulda got hired without a special rule for blacks, right?
Yeah I bet auburn just would hate to have sumlin right now huh?
Btw how many white head at a bcs school had one win and KEPT their job?
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