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re: Jon Embree plays race card regarding his firing
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:47 pm to Choupique19
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:47 pm to Choupique19
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That's on Al Davis for being stupid. But if you don't think "Head NFL Coach" doesn't go a long way when applying for a college job, then you aren't thinking straight.
With all of the coaching talent in America, you think Lane Kiffin, who was in his early 30's at the time, was the guy most qualified to run the Tennessee football program?
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:49 pm to Choupique19
I don't think Romeo and Denny Green want to coach college football. Plus, those guys have TONS of NFL experience as head coaches and coordinators...they are the exception across racial lines. But, a white coach can be mediocre at best, have a light resume, and still get a PLUM college football head coaching job. I can't say the same for a Black coach.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:50 pm to Rocket
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With all of the coaching talent in America, you think Lane Kiffin, who was in his early 30's at the time, was the guy most qualified to run the Tennessee football program?
And, then Tennessee basically hired Kiffin twice when they hired Dooley. Light arse resumes and they got PLUM head coaching opportunities.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:52 pm to Rocket
Wait. What plum job went to an unproven white guy?
Racists. They just won't hire an Asian.
Racists. They just won't hire an Asian.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:55 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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Wait. What plum job went to an unproven white guy?
Lame Kiffin - Tennessee and USC
Gene Chizik - Auburn
Mike Shula - Alabama
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:57 pm to Shaft Williams
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But, a white coach can be mediocre at best, have a light resume, and still get a PLUM college football head coaching job.
There are hundreds of white college coaches across the country that can't get a head job. For example, Steve Ensminger, former LSU qb, former OC at Texas A&M and at Clemson, two high profile schools. He has never been a head college coach. If he was black, it be easy to call racism. But he's white and nobody notices.
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I can't say the same for a Black coach.
What was Jon Embree's resume before he got the Colorado job????
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:01 pm to Choupique19
Has anyone said that maybe the black college coaches just aren't that good? Seems that they do better in the NFL then in College.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:02 pm to Choupique19
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If he was black, it be easy to call racism. But he's white and nobody notices.
Usually the instances when racism was charged are/were when a black guy is passed over by a white guy who was less qualified.
If Steve Ensminger has been passed over for head coaching opportunities, he probably lost out to more qualified white guys.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:04 pm to Shaft Williams
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Do you think a former Black NFL head coach could get two PLUM college head coaching jobs after the way Kiffin left the Raiders?
Well Romeo Crennel got another NFL job, even after being a terrible NFL coach previously.
Jim Caldwell had a college coaching record of 26-63 and still got a head coaching job in the NFL
looks like plenty of second chances to be had by all
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:09 pm to Rocket
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If Steve Ensminger has been passed over for head coaching opportunities, he probably lost out to more qualified white guys.
Right, and Turner Gill and Charlie Strong were also passed over for more qualified white guys. Remember, guys with head coaching experience or 2 different undefeated seasons.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:11 pm to jcole4lsu
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Well Romeo Crennel got another NFL job, even after being a terrible NFL coach previously.
Jim Caldwell had a college coaching record of 26-63 and still got a head coaching job in the NFL
looks like plenty of second chances to be had by all
You know damn well that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about do you think a Black head coach would get the opportunities Lane Kiffin has if he was disrespectful to his boss like Kiffin was to Al Davis. You know as I know the answer is no.
You do remember the Al Davis press conference?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:13 pm to Shaft Williams
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You do remember the Al Davis press conference?
Al Davis was a senile old man. Don't pretend Kiffin was giving back EXACTLY what he received from Al.
you tried to make a point and i shot it down, emphatically, with facts. deal with it.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:13 pm to Choupique19
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Right, and Turner Gill and Charlie Strong were also passed over for more qualified white guys. Remember, guys with head coaching experience or 2 different undefeated seasons.
Sorry, I don't care if he officially had NFL head coaching experience, I wouldn't consider Kiffin to be more qualified than a guy like Strong who was a lot older and had been a successful d-coordinator. And Kiffin only had that NFL experience because Al Davis was a moron. Do you realize how arbitrary qualifications can be? Al Davis could have hired me in place of Kiffin. Does that mean I'm more suited than a guy like Strong although I have NFL head coaching experience?
And Chizik had a losing record as a head coach.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:16 pm to jcole4lsu
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Al Davis was a senile old man. Don't pretend Kiffin was giving back EXACTLY what he received from Al. you tried to make a point and i shot it down, emphatically, with facts. deal with it.
Sorry, Kiffin didn't deserve the shot he got in the NFL and no black coach would have gotten the opportunities Kiffin got after he left the NFL.
If Kiffin's last name was Smith and his dad was a coal miner, he doesn't get those opportunities. And he doesn't get them if he is black.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:19 pm to Rocket
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And Chizik had a losing record as a head coach.
Nick Saban had a bunch of 6-5 seasons at Michigan State.
Joe Torre had been fired as a head coach from the Atlanta Braves and the St. Louis Cardinals.
Rich Rodriguez had a foolproof resume in college football.
Hiring a head coach is about finding the right fit. So there are not exact qualities to being a head coach. Therefore, you can't say that race is a contributing factor as to why some black coaches aren't getting hired, or they are being let go prematurely, or whatever.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:20 pm to Rocket
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I wouldn't consider Kiffin to be more qualified than a guy like Strong
simply because you NEED it that way for your argument.
they were both successful coordinators in college, one was a HC in the NFL and one was not.
take the the names and races away and the more qualified candidate is fairly obvious. plus, neither of us were in the room conducting the interviews.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:20 pm to Rocket
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no black coach would have gotten the opportunities Kiffin got after he left the NFL.
you mean like jim caldwell?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:24 pm to jcole4lsu
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you mean like jim caldwell?
Caldwell's back to being a position coach.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:27 pm to saintsfan22
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Caldwell's back to being a position coach.
he was 26-63 as a college HC and got an NFL HC gig.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 3:27 pm to jcole4lsu
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simply because you NEED it that way for your argument.
That was my opinion when Kiffin was hired and it's my opinion now. No way Kiffin deserved that opportunity more than Strong
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they were both successful coordinators in college, one was a HC in the NFL and one was not.
One was a head coach in the NFL for no other reason than the owner of the team is was a senile frickface. ANd one had the same last name as a d-coordinator in the NFL.
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take the the names and races away and the more qualified candidate is fairly obvious. plus, neither of us were in the room conducting the interviews.
Oh please.
Sorry, very rarely will I think that a 33 year old with a year and a half of NFL head coaching experience is more qualified and capable to run a major college football program than a 50 or so year old D-coordinator that has two BCS national titles on his resume.
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