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re: Jon Embree plays race card regarding his firing
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:18 pm to LeonPhelps
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:18 pm to LeonPhelps
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That is the whole point.
I was making a point that if he looks up how many coaches are white and how many are black, you'll see that white folk are still getting the vast majority of head coaching positions. So his fear is unfounded.
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only care about how many are competent.
But you can be a very competent coach but not considered for a job because of your race. The facts are on my side. All of you are swimming upstream.
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Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:18 pm to Rocket
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You are crazy. You still don't understand this rule or you have this crazy fear that white folks are getting all their jobs taken from them
nah man, you have the crazy claim all wrapped up in this thread.
IDGAF if a coach is black, white, green, hell a chick for that matter. Are they competent? Thats all that matters.
Only a damned fool would rather a shitty white coach over a good black one.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:19 pm to MFn GIMP
Done told you suckers.
Norm Chow rule. Where is it mr Obama?
We need a senate investigation!
You are keeping Asian coaches in virtual internment camps! It's 1942 all over again.
Norm Chow rule. Where is it mr Obama?
We need a senate investigation!
You are keeping Asian coaches in virtual internment camps! It's 1942 all over again.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:19 pm to Rocket
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But you can be a very competent coach but not considered for a job because of your race
Who isnt getting hired because their race, other than white coaches at HBCUs
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:21 pm to jcole4lsu
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IDGAF if a coach is black, white, green, hell a chick for that matter. Are they competent? Thats all that matters.
Then you shouldn't have a problem with the rule
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Only a damned fool would rather a shitty white coach over a good black one.
And you don't think that happens?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:23 pm to Rocket
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Then you shouldn't have a problem with the rule
Simple question for you: should only blacks have a special rule that requires they be interviewed?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:25 pm to jcole4lsu
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isnt getting hired because their race, other than white coaches at HBCUs
Sly Croom. He had more experience and held the same positions as Mike Shula
You don't think Charlie Strong would have liked to coach at Tennessee? You think Kiffin was more qualified than him?
You think Gene Chizik was more qualified than Turner Gill to coach at Auburn?
The list goes on. You are in denial because you really are against the advancement of black coaches in football. If you weren't, you wouldn't be opposed to the Rooney Rule.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:28 pm to Rocket
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Simple question for you: should only blacks have a special rule that requires they be interviewed?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:28 pm to Rocket
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And you don't think that happens?
only at a the lowest level of the fanbase. you think ownership or AD/ University Presidents think that way?
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:33 pm to Rocket
Someone may have said this earlier but I hear on First Take that since 1979 there have been 41 Black FBS head coaches hired. Only 41 hired in a period of 33 years?! That's outrageous. And, in that time span, only 1 Black head coach has been rehired as a head coach - Tyrone Willingham.
I'm sorry if you don't find the racism in those numbers you'll never see racism in anything. Period and I'm not going to waste my time trying to get you to see the racism being carried out in the hiring of major college football head coaches.
It's alright for Black men to play college football but at the same time it's close to impossible for ANY of those same Black men to become a head football coach at a major college football program.
Ridiculous and it's shameful...and you best believe this mess is going to change!!!!
I'm sorry if you don't find the racism in those numbers you'll never see racism in anything. Period and I'm not going to waste my time trying to get you to see the racism being carried out in the hiring of major college football head coaches.
It's alright for Black men to play college football but at the same time it's close to impossible for ANY of those same Black men to become a head football coach at a major college football program.
Ridiculous and it's shameful...and you best believe this mess is going to change!!!!
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:34 pm to jcole4lsu
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you think ownership or AD/ University Presidents think that way?
Apparently
It's harder at the college level to get hired because the A.D. and President hardly ever make hires at major univerisities without consulting people on the board of directors and influential boosters.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:38 pm to jcole4lsu
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nah man, you have the crazy claim all wrapped up in this thread.
IDGAF if a coach is black, white, green, hell a chick for that matter. Are they competent? Thats all that matters.
Only a damned fool would rather a shitty white coach over a good black one.
There are plenty of unproven white coaches who get PLUM college football head coaching jobs all the time and no one says a word. Black coaches have to be assistants for decades and then HOPE to get a shot at any FBS program as a head coach.
And, most of the time when a Black coach gets a head coaching job in college football it's at a time when the job is a mess. For instance, Notre Dame after Bob Davie left, Miss. St. after Jackie Sherrill left the school in trouble with the NCAA, Randy Shannon at Miami, etc.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:38 pm to Rocket
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You don't think Charlie Strong would have liked to coach at Tennessee? You think Kiffin was more qualified than him
Yes, Lane Kiffin had NFL Head Coaching experience
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You think Gene Chizik was more qualified than Turner Gill to coach at Auburn?
Yes, Gene Chizik had been a coordinator for undefeated seasons at 2 different major BCS schools.
Those resumes don't necessarily make them the better coach, but it is much more likely to get hired with those creditials than what Strong or Gill had.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:38 pm to Rocket
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You don't think Charlie Strong would have liked to coach at Tennessee? You think Kiffin was more qualified than him?
Both Kiffin and Dooley were more qualified than Strong. Doesnt make them better coaches, just more qualified.
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You think Gene Chizik was more qualified than Turner Gill to coach at Auburn?
How did Gill turn out? As stated earlier in this thread, both were terrible.
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You are in denial because you really are against the advancement of black coaches in football.
oh just shut up already. your ignorance is astounding.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:40 pm to Choupique19
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Yes, Lane Kiffin had NFL Head Coaching experience
But, what experience did Kiffin have before getting a NFL head coaching job? Co-offensive coordinator at USC for like one season after Norm Chow left? People come on this very board and talk about how Lane Kiffin is not qualified and he's gotten jobs because of who his father is all the time but now Lane Kiffin is qualified? Ok...
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:40 pm to Choupique19
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Yes, Lane Kiffin had NFL Head Coaching experience
Had what.....a year and a half of head coach experience? And was a whole lot younger than strong. Charlie strong had been a d-coordinator for two national title winning UF teams.
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Yes, Gene Chizik had been a coordinator for undefeated seasons at 2 different major BCS schools.
And had losing records at ISU
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Those resumes don't necessarily make them the better coach, but it is much more likely to get hired with those creditials than what Strong or Gill had.
And it helped that they were white
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:42 pm to jcole4lsu
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Both Kiffin and Dooley were more qualified than Strong. Doesnt make them better coaches, just more qualified.
They were hired because they were white
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How did Gill turn out?
Doesn't matter. He had more success at Buffalo than Chizik had at ISU
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oh just shut up already. your ignorance is astounding.
You are swimming upstream and you don't even know it
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:42 pm to Shaft Williams
What this boils down to is this. If you're a Black coach, you won't get certain opportunities to bolster your resume then you'll be labeled as unqualified. And, that's penalizing one for being denied opportunities that they are being unjustly blocked from.
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:45 pm to Shaft Williams
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But, what experience did Kiffin have before getting a NFL head coaching job?
That's on Al Davis for being stupid. But if you don't think "Head NFL Coach" doesn't go a long way when applying for a college job, then you aren't thinking straight.
Romeo Crennel and Dennis Green would have a great shot at getting a college head coaching position.
This post was edited on 11/27/12 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 11/27/12 at 2:47 pm to Choupique19
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That's on Al Davis for being stupid. But if you don't think "Head NFL Coach" doesn't go a long way when applying for a college job, then you aren't thinking straight.
Do you think a former Black NFL head coach could get two PLUM college head coaching jobs after the way Kiffin left the Raiders? Please answer that.
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