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re: I would like to address those who actually believe Jimbo is "Les 2.0"
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:54 pm to KingBeingking
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:54 pm to KingBeingking
Fact: Jumbo Fisher has been in the ACS with top 5 recruiting classes every year and managed to play for a BCS NC the year an Auburn team that got thumped by LSU beat Bama on a missed fg. His team was nearly humiliated by Auburn when every player on his squad went to the NFL.
I think he would be a good HC only with Aranda as DC. Aranda will get HC offers.
Jimbo is never gonna be Les Miles, but he doesn't look to be the brilliant mind needed to beat Saban. Miles got fired because Saban. Tom Herman should have been pursued from the get go. Him and Aranda are literally the most brilliant innovative young minds in football.
I think he would be a good HC only with Aranda as DC. Aranda will get HC offers.
Jimbo is never gonna be Les Miles, but he doesn't look to be the brilliant mind needed to beat Saban. Miles got fired because Saban. Tom Herman should have been pursued from the get go. Him and Aranda are literally the most brilliant innovative young minds in football.
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Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:55 pm to RB10
All that good stuff and yet he's lost 3 or more games again. I like Jimbo but don't think he's the long term guy.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:55 pm to RB10
I was attempting to prevent the thread being deleted. My title and body of my email was edited numerous times before I hit submit
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The people who wouldn't be happy with Jimbo are goofballs.
correct. They are the ones who watch games and really do not know what they are seeing. No understanding of football ins and outs. strategy/X's and O's.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:56 pm to cas4t
That's a lot of words. Thankfully I don't need that many to rebutt all of it. Fisher's record without Winston...period. He's a good coach, but I don't think he is a great coach.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:56 pm to cas4t
Yeah, he was certainly good at LSU but if you recall, people were ready for a change at OC. And the fact crowton came in and the offense seemed better immediately kinda took some luster off Jimbo.
I remember Jimbo's LSU offenses being good in 2001 and 2003, and ok in 2005 and 2006. I realize he had no QB in 2002 and 2004. And the stats were always there, but against a defense with a pulse he went extremely conservative. Of course he was working under Saban and Les who tend to be conservative.
Actually 2006 is hard to gauge. The offense was explosive against most teams, but fizzled against ole miss, AU, Florida. Then again, AU was dominated by refs and the Florida game was a flukey turnover fest that can't be blamed on a coach.
I remember Jimbo's LSU offenses being good in 2001 and 2003, and ok in 2005 and 2006. I realize he had no QB in 2002 and 2004. And the stats were always there, but against a defense with a pulse he went extremely conservative. Of course he was working under Saban and Les who tend to be conservative.
Actually 2006 is hard to gauge. The offense was explosive against most teams, but fizzled against ole miss, AU, Florida. Then again, AU was dominated by refs and the Florida game was a flukey turnover fest that can't be blamed on a coach.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:56 pm to cas4t
Deondre Francois is a Redshirt Freshman.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:57 pm to cas4t
Also, we really didn't know what a "stagnant, predictable" offense really looked like back then. We sure as frick do now, though.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:59 pm to LuzianaFootball
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yet he's lost 3 or more games again
How many games would he have lost if Francois were, idk, a sophomore, junior or senior and someone named Dave Aranda were his HC?
Because that's what he'd be getting at LSU.
He lost Pruitt because Pruitt was fricking co-eds. When he had the DC he wanted, they were unstoppable.
Think he can't get defense going?
each of these defensive players went to the NFL.
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Jalen Ramsey, DB, Jaguars
Ronald Darby, DB, Bills
Terrance Brooks, DB, Ravens
P.J. Williams, DB, Saints
Lamarcus Joyner, DB, Rams
Telvin Smith, LB, Jaguars
Terrance Smith, LB, Chiefs
Christian Jones, LB, Bears
Mario Edwards Jr., DL, Raiders
Eddie Goldman, DL, Bears
Timmy Jernigan, DL, Ravens
yes, your eyes are fine. That IS INDEED every player on his NC winning defense.
credit to mastrShake
every offensive starter was also drafted.
22 starters, 22 NFL draft picks
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 12:59 pm to NastyNatiNole
well shite!
lots of editing coming up
lots of editing coming up
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:00 pm to cas4t
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cas4t
now, you do realize if caltiger53 reads this he WILL gouge his eyeballs out with a papermate pen right?
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:00 pm to kensnippy
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Fisher's record without Winston...period.
every single starter from that 2013 team was drafted
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OFFENSE Jameis Winston, QB, Buccaneers Devonta Freeman, RB, Falcons Karlos Williams, RB, Bills Rashad Greene, WR, Jaguars Kelvin Benjamin, WR, Panthers Nick O'Leary, TE, Bills Cam Erving, OL, Browns Tre' Jackson, OL, Patriots Bryan Stork, OL, Patriots Bobby Hart, OL, Giants Josue Matias, OL, Titans there's two Pro Bowl players there (Winston and Freeman), and three 1st round picks (Winston, Benjamin and Erving), including number 1 overall. DEFENSE Jalen Ramsey, DB, Jaguars Ronald Darby, DB, Bills Terrance Brooks, DB, Ravens P.J. Williams, DB, Saints Lamarcus Joyner, DB, Rams Telvin Smith, LB, Jaguars Terrance Smith, LB, Chiefs Christian Jones, LB, Bears Mario Edwards Jr., DL, Raiders Eddie Goldman, DL, Bears Timmy Jernigan, DL, Ravens
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:01 pm to Fat Bastard
one can only hope so much
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:01 pm to cas4t
tried to tell him in the other thread but i think people are just convinced of whatever they think regardless of any facts presented to them
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:03 pm to Deactived
I assume he is one of those posters who drops a comment and then moves on. Never engages in dialogue, so it's hard to prove them wrong.
That entire team was stacked, obviously, and he took Winston out of Bama's backyard.
Somehow, that is a bad thing
That entire team was stacked, obviously, and he took Winston out of Bama's backyard.
Somehow, that is a bad thing
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:03 pm to cas4t
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one can only hope so much
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:04 pm to cas4t
Losing players to the draft is just one aspect of being a head coach that must be accounted and planned for. Looks like Fisher should have found a way to have better back ups and/or found a way to get them some experience before the upperclassmen left. Somehow the GREAT coaches manage to do this.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:04 pm to biglego
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people were ready for a change at OC
Oh i recall. As it turns out, we were wrong.
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:05 pm to kensnippy
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Losing players to the draft is just one aspect of being a head coach that must be accounted and planned for. Looks like Fisher should have found a way to have better back ups and/or found a way to get them some experience before the upperclassmen left. Somehow the GREAT coaches manage to do this.
> he went 13-1 the next season, won the ACC, and made the first ever college football playoff
This post was edited on 11/21/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 11/21/16 at 1:06 pm to Ebridg3
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Jimbo is never gonna be Les Miles, but he doesn't look to be the brilliant mind needed to beat Saban. Miles got fired because Saban. Tom Herman should have been pursued from the get go. Him and Aranda are literally the most brilliant innovative young minds in football.
you don't need a brilliant offensive mind to beat saban, just a spread offense and some competent play calling.
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