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How would you feel about Sonny Cumbie (TCU) as the next OC at LSU?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:36 pm
I'm reading some of the names that are being reported as candidates for OC at LSU, and I'm a little surprised that he isn't getting too much attention.
I believe he was one of a long list of candidates at the beginning of the OC search last season, but I haven't heard much clamor for him this time around.
Cumbie has been at TCU for 4 seasons, initially serving as the co-offensive coordinator with Doug Meacham when he joined the staff in 2014. Prior to his arrival, TCU ran a pro-style offense, relying mostly on Gary Patterson's defensive system for their success. However, Patterson wanted a change in offensive philosophy, hoping to move to an up-temp spread offense that would help them keep up with some of the others in the Big 12.
To me, the offensive overhaul that TCU underwent that season is something we could use here at LSU. Obviously, a guy like Kendal Briles could give us a change like that, too.
Since TCU is a private school, it's hard to find an exact current salary for Cumbie at TCU. However, he was reportedly offered $1 million and total autonomy over the offense at Texas prior to the 2016 season. So I'd imagine TCU had to give him some sort of bump to keep him from leaving for Austin. Obviously, LSU could top the salary offer he received from UT.
I've watched some videos of Cumbie talking offense, and he seems like a mellow, technical guy. He played and coached for Mike Leach at Texas Tech, so there's some elements of his offense that mirror Leach. He remained on the Tech offensive staff through the Tubberville era, and was the only person on the entire staff retained by Kilff Kingsburry when he took over in 2013.
I am not sure about his recruiting prowess, but I would assume a guy who was a starting quarterback at Texas Tech and then a coach for almost a decade in the state of Texas could be successful at attracting some talent at the quarterback position from that state.
On the surface, how would you feel if Sonny Cumbie was hired at LSU? Would you consider it a good hire? A great hire?
I believe he was one of a long list of candidates at the beginning of the OC search last season, but I haven't heard much clamor for him this time around.
Cumbie has been at TCU for 4 seasons, initially serving as the co-offensive coordinator with Doug Meacham when he joined the staff in 2014. Prior to his arrival, TCU ran a pro-style offense, relying mostly on Gary Patterson's defensive system for their success. However, Patterson wanted a change in offensive philosophy, hoping to move to an up-temp spread offense that would help them keep up with some of the others in the Big 12.
To me, the offensive overhaul that TCU underwent that season is something we could use here at LSU. Obviously, a guy like Kendal Briles could give us a change like that, too.
Since TCU is a private school, it's hard to find an exact current salary for Cumbie at TCU. However, he was reportedly offered $1 million and total autonomy over the offense at Texas prior to the 2016 season. So I'd imagine TCU had to give him some sort of bump to keep him from leaving for Austin. Obviously, LSU could top the salary offer he received from UT.
I've watched some videos of Cumbie talking offense, and he seems like a mellow, technical guy. He played and coached for Mike Leach at Texas Tech, so there's some elements of his offense that mirror Leach. He remained on the Tech offensive staff through the Tubberville era, and was the only person on the entire staff retained by Kilff Kingsburry when he took over in 2013.
I am not sure about his recruiting prowess, but I would assume a guy who was a starting quarterback at Texas Tech and then a coach for almost a decade in the state of Texas could be successful at attracting some talent at the quarterback position from that state.
On the surface, how would you feel if Sonny Cumbie was hired at LSU? Would you consider it a good hire? A great hire?
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Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:38 pm to BayouBengals03
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Since TCU is a private school, it's hard to find an exact current salary for Cumbie at TCU. However, he was reportedly offered $1 million and total autonomy over the offense at Texas prior to the 2016 season. So I'd imagine TCU had to give him some sort of bump to keep him from leaving for Austin. Obviously, LSU could top the salary offer he received from UT.
Sounds like he’s got it made there and he’s waiting on a HC job
Serious question, if you’re Cumbie and you see what just happened to Canada, are you giving your current gig up for here? You said it, he has total autonomy there and great pay.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:38 pm to BayouBengals03
When is Cumbie going to get a HC job? Any chance he takes over for Patterson in a couple years (his health can’t be great)
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:40 pm to BayouBengals03
I'd be okay with that, he knows how to run the HUNH spread. It would be similar to a Briles hire, and I believe Cumbie has more experience as an OC.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:40 pm to Mr. Elvert
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When is Cumbie going to get a HC job? Any chance he takes over for Patterson in a couple years (his health can’t be great)
Our ULL friends will have to confirm, but I believe there were reports that he was one of the final three or four candidates for the job in Lafayette.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:41 pm to BayouBengals03
I would say it's a good not great hire. The point about helping transition TCUs offense is a good one. This is also his first year calling plays as an OC (I'm pretty sure he didn't at Tech but don't remember for sure). Meacham called plays before this year at TCU. I do think he is a pretty solid recruiter and has played a fairly big role in recruiting Justin Rogers
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:41 pm to BilJ
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Serious question, if you’re Cumbie and you see what just happened to Canada, are you giving your current gig up for here?
While I get that Coach O isn't fantastic, Canada has a long history of changing schools after only one or a few years, so its not like this is all on Coach O. Canada clearly has a way of making people push him out of the door sooner rather than later despite his coaching abilities based on his history
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:44 pm to BayouBengals03
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How would you feel about Sonny Cumbie (TCU) as the next OC at LSU?
Shut up, Derek.
We already told you we want Lil' Briles. Tell Ogre-ron it will take the attention off of his and yours felony records if it makes yall feel better.
This post was edited on 1/2/18 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:45 pm to tiggerthetooth
Point remains....he left a job where he had total autonomy with the understanding he’d have that here. Well pretty obvious O did not make good on that promise.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:46 pm to BayouBengals03
Would
But he seems like he’s in a good enough spot to sit back and wait for a HC gig.
But he seems like he’s in a good enough spot to sit back and wait for a HC gig.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:46 pm to BilJ
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Serious question, if you’re Cumbie and you see what just happened to Canada, are you giving your current gig up for here? You said it, he has total autonomy there and great pay.
All great points that I was going to put in the OP, but I figured someone else would bring it up.
It would be a risk to move to the SEC, but if he could prove that his offenses can produce against defenses outside of the Big 12, I can only assume that would increase his stock. Plus, he'd get a pay raise in the process.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:46 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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I would say it's a good not great hire. The point about helping transition TCUs offense is a good one. This is also his first year calling plays as an OC (I'm pretty sure he didn't at Tech but don't remember for sure). Meacham called plays before this year at TCU. I do think he is a pretty solid recruiter and has played a fairly big role in recruiting Justin Rogers
Exactly. TCU made a radical change over one offseason and it made them instantly more competitive after their jump to the Big 12.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:47 pm to BayouBengals03
.... but can he run the pro style / spread / power run / USC style offense that Coach O is looking for?
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:48 pm to BayouBengals03
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Our ULL friends will have to confirm, but I believe there were reports that he was one of the final three or four candidates for the job in Lafayette.
He was a name that kept popping up. There was some contact between the school and his agent, but I never heard anything about there being an official interview.
He would be a great OC for LSU but he's not leaving TCU to be micromanaged by the Cajun Cookie Monster.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:50 pm to hendersonshands
Mais i bet he’s never had a gumBO with tomatoes non.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:52 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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This is also his first year calling plays as an OC (I'm pretty sure he didn't at Tech but don't remember for sure). Meacham called plays before this year at TCU.
Correct. I was reading an article with quotes from Patterson before the season about how the offensive play calling and philosophy has tweaked a little now that Cumbie had taken full control of the reigns. His comments were very positive.
Patterson was looking for a change to more of an "air raid" type of offense, but Cumbie still utilizes the run a good bit. In a state like Louisiana where there's always a ton of talented high school running backs, that's important.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:54 pm to BayouBengals03
I like TCUs version of the spread. I wanted Meacham at A&M when we hired Noel Mazzone. They will commit to the run and because Patterson is a defensive guy they practiced physical and it showed on the field.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:57 pm to BayouBengals03
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Patterson was looking for a change to more of an "air raid" type of offense, but Cumbie still utilizes the run a good bit. In a state like Louisiana where there's always a ton of talented high school running backs, that's important.
But you see, it shouldn't matter what RB you have, just create space and many talented guys can be effective. The spread is the best offense anyone has ever seen at creating space and making teams with less talent and depth competitive against even the most talented teams.
In other words, LSU won't have to bank on the Fournette's or Guice's of the world to be successful with a spread offense. Finally, LSU could avoid the ups and downs on the offensive side of the ball, even though there hasn't ever really been too many ups in the last 10 years.
Posted on 1/2/18 at 9:59 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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They will commit to the run and because Patterson is a defensive guy they practiced physical and it showed on the field.
Yeah, I like their willingness to run the football.
Also, you mentioned Patterson and their overall physicality. TCU has been in the top 2 of the Big 12 in scoring or total defense in 3 of the 4 seasons that Cumbie has been there, so he probably knows how to mold his offense as a reflection of the overall team concept.
That could be important if he's paired with an Aranda defense at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 1/2/18 at 10:05 pm to tiggerthetooth
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In other words, LSU won't have to bank on the Fournette's or Guice's of the world to be successful with a spread offense.
Well yes, but it helps to still have those guys, obviously.
I'm just saying his offense will have some balance. It won't be completely pass dominant.
But it's no secret that we might not have the most talented running backs in the world for the 2018 season, so your point about creating space for what will probably be our worst running back depth chart of the century is an important one.
Brennan is decisive and has a strong arm. We will have quality and depth at wide receiver. Cumbie seems like he could help us make the transition to the spread very smoothly.
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