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re: Here's what I don't get about the O crowd..
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:05 am to abellsujr
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:05 am to abellsujr
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Do you want Ed Orgeron or Jimbo Fisher?
If O keeps winning as impressively as he has with the situation he was dealt I wouldn't be adverse to giving him the chance.
Jimbo would be spectacular, no doubt. I would not mind having him. The concern I have with Jimbo is if LSU is willing to pay the price. This is from a post I did last week:
quote:https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/1/5/5276842/jimbo-fisher-contract-salary-buyout
Perhaps the most interesting detail is the buyout clause, which is tied to Fisher's assistant coaches. If he leaves for another job, he has to buy out the contracts of any assistant coaches that do not stay with the new staff -- as a part of the contract, he added $500,000 to their contract pool, and if all coaches left he would owe them approximately $5.4 million, if Fisher left early.
5. Jimbo Fisher, Florida State – $5,250,000
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
quote:https://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/news/florida-state-jimbo-fisher-new-contract-features-big-raise-big-buyout/16cyqqy8sfb2y17wizfyjbd9k8
His contract could be worth as much as $44 million dollars over the next seven years, but it will also cost him dearly if he decides to move on. His buyout is reportedly $5 million dollars if he leaves before 2017, $3 million if he leaves between 2017-18 and $1 million if he leaves in 2019 or later.
So, LSU is still paying Les, giving everybody on current staff raises and bonuses to go with the new titles, will pay Jimbo $6 million and his buyout of $5 million.
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Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:08 am to Tiger Ree
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Five disappointing outings in five weeks is another
Keep doubling down on the ignorance. You admit you don't watch any AAC games and only read box scores. You refuse to acknowledge that Navy, Tulsa and UCF are good teams. You refuse to acknowledge that Houston has dealt with injuries on offense all season.
Also, you conveniently failed to mention that Houston's talent composite rank jumped 21 spots from last season, and that is largely due to Oliver getting to campus and Allen transferring in (who is not eligible to play yet).
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:08 am to BilJ
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show me the two big wins O has on his resume. Notice how the pro O crowd cannot do that?
I would say when he beat #5 Stanford was his biggest win. His biggest this season was going on the road to Arkansas and beating them 38-10. The first time in 20 years LSU has gone on the road and won after playing Alabama the week before.
O's biggest loss recently was to the #1 team in the country which has more talent. How's Herman doing in the recent loss department?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:10 am to SportTiger1
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Houston losing to other G5 schools is not 'humiliating'.
Houston losing to UCONN and to SMU 38-16 while gaining 303 total yards is humiliating no matter how you slice it.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:12 am to Tiger Ree
That's interesting.
People do seem pretty adamant that the administration is willing to do what it takes, though. I think his buy out goes down a little if we wait until December or January which is good.
But they were also supposedly willing to make the move last year at a higher cost. I guess we'll see.
People do seem pretty adamant that the administration is willing to do what it takes, though. I think his buy out goes down a little if we wait until December or January which is good.
But they were also supposedly willing to make the move last year at a higher cost. I guess we'll see.
This post was edited on 11/15/16 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:13 am to SPEEDY
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What happens on defense after Aranda leaves?
O will probably pick up the phone and call some of the best DC's available and say "Hey, the guy that we were paying well over a million bucks to run the defense is leaving. You want to come here and make a name for yourself with some of the best talent in the country? You will be able to run that side of the ball however you see fit."
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:15 am to SPEEDY
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Excuses
More like facts. Do you dispute any of them?
What other coach could have come in and been on the job four games, have a TE's coach as OC and beat Bama?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:17 am to raginjeauxcajun
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He managed to get beat by Navy and SMU in the same season.
when his team folded knowing they weren't getting into the playoffs, the big 12, and losing their coach.
that's a shitty chain of events. 18-22 year olds don't always deal with adversity very well.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:18 am to BilJ
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is it a good thing to inherit an incredibly talented team and beat up on shitty teams?
Yes, especially when you are winning by an average of 29 points. It is definitely a hell of a lot better than losing to and struggling against inferior teams, don't you think?
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I'm still waiting on you to name the two impressive wins O has as a head coach.
Done
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:21 am to BilJ
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wait we have a record setting offense under O's miracle working, but getting shut out and not even sniffing scoring position if not for your D is not on him?
you've lost it
That wasn't his most impressive game as LSU head coach, no doubt. Still more impressive than anything Herman has done in his last five games.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:26 am to Nutriaitch
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I did however expect him to NOT do an almost flawless impression of Les Miles.
So you expected the world renowned TE's and OC Steve Ensminger to out-duel the unheard-of guy named Nick Saban.
I am really impressed by your optimism.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:32 am to Tiger Ree
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So you expected the world renowned TE's and OC Steve Ensminger
I mean his offense is setting records! Why shouldn't he have expected better results? Pardon me.....any results.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:34 am to beauxroux
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Then let's treat all candidates by some objective criteria-- and for the record, I'm not sold on any coach just yet.
Ok, lets to do that.
Head Coaching Postion:
Jimbo- One national title, another playoff appearance, 3 ACC titles, 4 division championships
Herman- Something like 21-3, Big 6 Bowl win
Orgeron- 10-25
Coordinator position:
Fisher - won a national title at LSU
Herman - won a national title at OSU, set team records at Rice, Iowa State, and Ohio State
Orgeron - has never been hired to be a coordinator
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:35 am to BilJ
They will argue Stanford.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:42 am to nvasil1
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You refuse to acknowledge that Navy, Tulsa and UCF are good teams. You refuse to acknowledge that Houston has dealt with injuries on offense all season.
Also, you conveniently failed to mention that Houston's talent composite rank jumped 21 spots from last season,
Ha, and a guy accused me of making excuses earlier in this very thread.
Navy:
Wins:
Fordham, UCONN, Tulane, Memphis and Tulsa. Houston and a 6-loss Notre Dame.
Losses:
UCF and Air Force who has lost to Wyoming, New Mexico and Hawaii
Tulsa looks decent with their worst loss coming to Houston by 7 points on the road.
UCF looks decent and their worst loss is also to Houston by 7 points on the road.
None of the above teams has the talent Houston has. They also don't have highly sought after HC's.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:44 am to nvasil1
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Also, you conveniently failed to mention that Houston's talent composite rank jumped 21 spots from last season, and that is largely due to Oliver getting to campus and Allen transferring in
Well that's even worse then. I thought he was not doing as good this season because the former coach's players were leaving. You show that the talent is better this year and he is still doing worse.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:53 am to abellsujr
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People do seem pretty adamant that the administration is willing to do what it takes, though. I think his buy out goes down a little if we wait until December or January which is good.
I saw where someone said we are paying Les $9 million.
Then with Jimbo you would have to pay him at least $6 since he's making 5 1/4 now. Then his $5 million buyout.
That's a lot of money !!!
That is 20 million alone on HC's. Not to mention the money they have to pay to keep the existing staff in place if they do.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:56 am to Tiger Ree
Transitive property in college football is so stupid. You're actually using Air Force's losses as a negative against Houston. 
Scott Frost is in his first year at UCF. Montgomery is in his 2nd year at Tulsa and has been mentioned on this board, but he didn't have the same success his first season as Herman. They'll likely be mentioned for bigger jobs soon, along with Morris at SMU.
Everyone already knows Niumatololo is a good coach, but no thinks he will leave Navy.
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They also don't have highly sought after HC's
Scott Frost is in his first year at UCF. Montgomery is in his 2nd year at Tulsa and has been mentioned on this board, but he didn't have the same success his first season as Herman. They'll likely be mentioned for bigger jobs soon, along with Morris at SMU.
Everyone already knows Niumatololo is a good coach, but no thinks he will leave Navy.
Posted on 11/15/16 at 10:59 am to Tiger Ree
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Well that's even worse then. I thought he was not doing as good this season because the former coach's players were leaving. You show that the talent is better this year and he is still doing worse.
So one true freshman player makes Houston's talent composite better and you think that means they should be undefeated?
Posted on 11/15/16 at 11:01 am to Choupique19
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Ok, lets to do that.
Head Coaching Postion:
Jimbo- One national title, another playoff appearance, 3 ACC titles, 4 division championships
Herman- Something like 21-3, Big 6 Bowl win
Orgeron- 10-25
Coordinator position:
Fisher - won a national title at LSU
Herman - won a national title at OSU, set team records at Rice, Iowa State, and Ohio State
Orgeron - has never been hired to be a coordinator
From Louisiana:
Jimbo- No
Herman-No
Coach O- yes
the rant is sold!!!!
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