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re: Gary Andersen of Wisconsin becomes Oregon State's HC
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:14 pm to Feral
Posted on 12/11/14 at 2:14 pm to Feral
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- assistant pay sucks
Does not compute. They won't make more in Corvallis.
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- hated living in the Midwest (stupid because Madison is awesome)
Lived in Utah the vast majority of his life.
I think he genuinely wants to get back there but as a head coach for a Pac 12 school (Utah) or BYU. Barring that, maybe the NFL or a better Pac 12 program.
Oregon State is a place to park, build his resume and bide his time until a better opportunity comes along.
I think the most plausible reason is after two years in the Midwest he wanted to get back to the side of the Rockies he has almost always called home.
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Alvarez coaching in the bowl game (again) doesn't exactly disspell the notion that he's a meddling AD.
Can't disagree with that.
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Posted on 12/11/14 at 6:32 pm to BrerTiger
Andersen left because of culture. It is really that simple. He came from small town utah to Madison. Completely different cultures. Don't think his family fit in well. Not a knock on him at all.
And he also realized that he wasn't ready for life in the fishbowl.
Remember, he made some major life decisions after he hurt his back. Wanted to work less and have less stress.
Don't think he realized how much different life would be in the Big Ten. Watching him do a presser was painful. His communication was awful.
All the other things are probably small factors, but ultimately he used them (notice the timing) as an excuse to bolt.
I liked what he was doing. Wish him well. Sucks to be looking for a coach again. But, we will survive and thrive. Plenty of good coaches out there. Nobody was thinking CGA when BA made the move. I'm confident BA will provide another good coach.
And he also realized that he wasn't ready for life in the fishbowl.
Remember, he made some major life decisions after he hurt his back. Wanted to work less and have less stress.
Don't think he realized how much different life would be in the Big Ten. Watching him do a presser was painful. His communication was awful.
All the other things are probably small factors, but ultimately he used them (notice the timing) as an excuse to bolt.
I liked what he was doing. Wish him well. Sucks to be looking for a coach again. But, we will survive and thrive. Plenty of good coaches out there. Nobody was thinking CGA when BA made the move. I'm confident BA will provide another good coach.
Posted on 12/11/14 at 8:00 pm to BuckyBadger
I think that Wisconsin has some serious problems. To lose two coaches like this is huge. There is no cultural differences between Madison and the West that are so great Andersen could't adjust. Unless he's Mormon and felt that Catholics and Lutherans and Secularists were damaging to his family.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 12:53 am to Ralph_Wiggum
quote:Of course you do. lol You are just hoping like all other gopher losers.
I think that Wisconsin has some serious problems. To lose two coaches like this is huge. There is no cultural differences between Madison and the West that are so great Andersen could't adjust. Unless he's Mormon and felt that Catholics and Lutherans and Secularists were damaging to his family.
You have no idea about cultural differences if you think there is no difference between living in a town of 40k vs. 300k.
And Andersen is a catholic.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 2:14 am to Indfanfromcol
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Doesn't change the fact that it is still a good job.
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Isn't this the second coach in a row to move from a good wisconsin team to a team needing to rebuild?
Only knowing half of the story, I don't think there is much of a correlation between Bielema bouncing to Arkansas and Andersen heading west to Oregon.
From someone I know in admissions, it was no secret that Andersen was getting frustrated that some of his recruits either couldn't qualify or de-committed because they wouldn't qualify. From what I was told, not many people in these positions were surprised that Andersen left.
Wisconsin and Illinois are the two schools in the B1G that cannot admit a player that simply meets NCAA requirements. Does that make Wisconsin a better school, in general, than places like Michigan and Ohio State? No. Those arguments are a mixture of objectivity and subjectivity that can be debated for days. What it does mean is that coaches like GA have shown in the past and present that they are not afraid to go after players with questionable academic backgrounds. This has bit him the arse several times since being coach at Wisconsin.
I am not going to say that this puts Wisconsin at a disadvantage, because it sounds like a built-in excuse, but it certainly constrains what some coaches would like to do.
Adam Rittenberg was on SportsCenter yesterday and echoed this same thing. He said he spoke to Andersen infrequently over the past few months and said that Andersen expressed this frustration regarding admission requirements at the university.
I don't think there is any one reason that Andersen left Madison, but I'm getting the vibe it was a mixture of culture/not fitting in, not particularly enjoying the big stage (as evidenced by his handling of the Gordon injury and Stave 'yips'), and admission requirements.
There is nothing here that says this comes back to Barry, despite what I have been reading here.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 11:03 am to BuckyBadger
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And Andersen is a catholic.
Link?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:13 pm to BrerTiger
quote:This is something you will just have to trust me on. Has been discussed multiple times on badger boards.
Link?
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:21 pm to BuckyBadger
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This is something you will just have to trust me on. Has been discussed multiple times on badger boards.
Okay. I was honestly curious.
I saw multiple BYU message board threads debating whether or not he was LDS.
He briefly attended and later attended Ricks College, now known as BYU-Idaho. Maybe he married a Catholic girl and converted (like I did). I have no clue.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 3:41 pm to BrerTiger
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Maybe he married a Catholic girl and converted (like I did).
Scratch that.
His wife was raised LDS. Her parents were married in the temple.
Found her dad's obituary:
LINK
Ordinarily, I wouldn't give a crap but it matters a little when considering if he would bolt for the BYU job or if they'd offer it to him. The Utah job is a given that he would bolt for. I could also easily see the guy leaving for any other Pac 12 South school or a NFL job. In other words, exactly what Riley and Erickson did before him.
But for now Corvallis offers a lot of what he liked about Logan. It's a pure college town just far enough away yet just close enough to the big city. 2 hour flight from Portland back to his family in Utah and he'll get to recruit down there more often. Unlike Logan, it has the bonus of being a Pac 12 town where he can build his resume even more. Riley left him just enough to build on and with his recruiting skills he should do fine by Oregon State standards.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:00 pm to BrerTiger
quote:No worries.
Okay. I was honestly curious. I saw multiple BYU message board threads debating whether or not he was LDS. He briefly attended and later attended Ricks College, now known as BYU-Idaho. Maybe he married a Catholic girl and converted (like I did). I have no clue.
This was a subject discussed as nauseum when hired. And two years in people were still trying to say he was a Mormon.
The fact there was even a debate should tell you he isn't. You know if they could they would claim him.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:06 pm to BrerTiger
quote:Not so sure you are right. I think he realized he prefers less of the spotlight. OSU is perfect. Nobody expects much. Second program in the state.
Ordinarily, I wouldn't give a crap but it matters a little when considering if he would bolt for the BYU job or if they'd offer it to him. The Utah job is a given that he would bolt for. I could also easily see the guy leaving for any other Pac 12 South school or a NFL job. In other words, exactly what Riley and Erickson did before him. But for now Corvallis offers a lot of what he liked about Logan. It's a pure college town just far enough away yet just close enough to the big city. 2 hour flight from Portland back to his family in Utah and he'll get to recruit down there more often. Unlike Logan, it has the bonus of being a Pac 12 town where he can build his resume even more. Riley left him just enough to build on and with his recruiting skills he should do fine by Oregon State standards.
He looked absolutely beaten down before the OSU game. And word from insiders is that he was working much harder than anyone thought he would considering his stated goal of get in and get out.
He has had health issues. I think he did a fine job (though it was clear he was having major problems adjusting). Would have liked to have seen how it played out. Wish him the best.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:26 pm to BuckyBadger
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The fact there was even a debate should tell you he isn't. You know if they could they would claim him
Very, very true.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:29 pm to tmc94
Posted on 12/12/14 at 4:32 pm to BuckyBadger
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OSU is perfect. Nobody expects much.
Well, nobody used to expect much. But as Riley can attest to, the success of the Ducks has rapidly changed the expectations. It's similar (not anywhere near the same scale) to the way expectations in Baton Rouge ratcheted up when Bama hired Saban and they started being in the hunt for titles every year. You hear the same argument about how mediocre won't cut it anymore. But people forget just how bad Oregon State has historically been and that it ain't easy to get recruits to go to school way up here far from home.
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He has had health issues.
This I did not know.
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I think he did a fine job (though it was clear he was having major problems adjusting). Would have liked to have seen how it played out. Wish him the best.
I hope it works out for y'all with Chryst. Hopefully he can keep things going and Alvarez can retire knowing he finally put a coach in place who keep things going for many years to come.
We'll enjoy Andersen for however long he feels like staying.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 12/12/14 at 5:58 pm to BrerTiger
quote:And Riley wasn't anywhere near getting fired despite years of mediocrity. In the past five years the best season he had was 9 wins. Three seasons under 500. They didn't can Robinson and he did nothing.
Well, nobody used to expect much. But as Riley can attest to, the success of the Ducks has rapidly changed the expectations. It's similar (not anywhere near the same scale) to the way expectations in Baton Rouge ratcheted up when Bama hired Saban and they started being in the hunt for titles every year. You hear the same argument about how mediocre won't cut it anymore. But people forget just how bad Oregon State has historically been and that it ain't easy to get recruits to go to school way up here far from home.
All I'm saying is if wins 6-8 a year he is safe. That won't cut it at Wisconsin or any program that demands results. And Youndont have to tell me about recruits and history. I'm from Wisconsin. It isn't like we are unfamiliar with changing a culture and having to go outside our state to recruit.
Don't get me wrong. I like OSU. I like Riley. It is just a completely different environment from UW or any program that is in the spotlight. And I think CGA realized that the glare was more than he could handle and wanted to handle.
Btw, I've been following OSU hoops since Miller was your coach and they took a Milwaukee kid, Darrell flowers, back in the early 80s.
I think he will do a good job for you.
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This I did not know.
From espn:
Stacey Andersen had been worried about her husband, who was running himself into the ground. Gary was in his second year as Utah State's coach, trying to resurrect arguably the worst program in the FBS. He operated in fifth gear in the office and on the practice field. To relieve stress, he ran. He often forgot to eat.
"He was going, going, going and not giving himself enough time," Stacey Andersen recalled. "He was going 120 miles an hour, and there was no stopping him until that happened. Physically and mentally, he kind of broke."
After returning home from a game at San Diego State -- a 41-7 Utah State loss, no less -- Anderson collapsed in the bathroom of his home. He broke two vertebrae and sustained a cut on his head.
Stacey urged Gary to get checked out. Exhaustion was the culprit, doctors said. The Andersens were relieved it wasn't something more serious. But Gary knew he had to change, and he knew who could help him start the process.
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hope it works out for y'all with Chryst. Hopefully he can keep things going and Alvarez can retire knowing he finally put a coach in place who keep things going for many years to come. We'll enjoy Andersen for however long he feels like staying.
I hope so as well. I'm not thrilled about it. PC has some issues, but a ton will depend on his assistants.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Andersen retire at OSU.
Posted on 12/12/14 at 6:37 pm to BuckyBadger
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And Riley wasn't anywhere near getting fired despite years of mediocrity
Mediocrity is relative. The bar was very low when Riley first arrived in Corvallis back in 1999. It's much higher now.
Riley was gently informed as much by the AD mere hours before Nebraska came calling:
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"Before Monday, I would not have dreamed this would have happened," Riley said.
The Riley-De Carolis meeting, it would seem, did not go well.
Three sources told me that De Carolis wanted to eliminate multiyear contracts for Beaver assistant coaches -- something Riley had fought hard for in recent years -- and also wanted to renegotiate Riley's deal to pare the years remaining down from seven.
I asked Riley Wednesday if those were factors in his departure. He deflected the question, confirming the meeting but declining to explore what was discussed.
LINK
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It is just a completely different environment from UW or any program that is in the spotlight.
No disagreement there.
But the fan and administration expectations have changed a lot in the last 10 years and that has everything to do with being 42 miles away from a school that is now always in the hunt for at least a Rose Bowl and has beaten the Beavers 7 years in a row.
Riley was starting to feel some heat and quickly realized Nebraska was making him the last best offer he'd ever get from another school.
I personally would be fine with 6-8 wins a year in Corvallis but as long as the Ducks continue to fly high I don't think that's going to buy job security any more.
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After returning home from a game at San Diego State -- a 41-7 Utah State loss, no less -- Anderson collapsed in the bathroom of his home. He broke two vertebrae and sustained a cut on his head.
Urban Meyer coaching tree.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see Andersen retire at OSU.
That would be fantastic but I give it a 1% chance of happening.
This post was edited on 12/12/14 at 6:39 pm
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