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re: Don't want Herman or Jimbo now?... let's break it down for you fools
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:10 am to DrEdgeLSU
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:10 am to DrEdgeLSU
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How about we not put people who have never won a NC on this list, ok?
That's a really dumb criteria to have for a list of best coaches. Miles won one, and there are scores of coaches better than him.
To leave Harbaugh off that list because he hasn't won a NC would be beyond idiotic. He has turned two power 5 programs around from irrelevant to championship-caliber teams, and he did the same with an NFL team. His resume could not be any better.
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Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:37 am to Korkstand
quote:
His resume could not be any better.
It could be a little better
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:39 am to Korkstand
To be included amongst coaches who you expect to win a NC with every few years, you need to at least win one. It's not that high of a bar if you think about it. There are two coaches who have shown they can do this - Saban and Meyer. Outside of that, Tier 2 is full of coaches who have either won a NC or are clearly the best coaches. Harbaugh is solidly at the top of that tier.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:41 am to rintintin
Neither.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:44 am to Not Cooper
quote:Would love to hear how.
It could be a little better
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:49 am to Korkstand
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Would love to hear how.
A Natty?
Posted on 10/10/16 at 11:54 am to DrEdgeLSU
quote:No, you don't.
To be included amongst coaches who you expect to win a NC with every few years, you need to at least win one.
quote:
It's not that high of a bar if you think about it.
It's not that high of a bar?! Only one guy in the entire world can do it each year. It's basically the highest bar you can possibly set. quote:Both top tier coaches, no doubt, but you simply have to put Harbaugh up there with them. Harbaugh has arguably been more successful than either (even without the championships), given the state of the programs that he started with.
There are two coaches who have shown they can do this - Saban and Meyer.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:01 pm to Buckeye06
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Why is Herman not in this category?
He could be, I didn't try to make any definitive list. Swap them around as you please I don't care. I just didn't think he had the body of work to be included in that list.
Again, the whole point of the thread is to show how few legit candidates there are for a coaching search of this magnitude.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:04 pm to DrEdgeLSU
quote:
How about we not put people who have never won a NC on this list, ok?
Fine, do as you please. I simply put him up there because I think 99% of people would be ecstatic with that hire, same as with Saban and Meyer.
Every other coach would have major divisiveness among fans.
That's the point of the thread.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:10 pm to Not Cooper
quote:You guys are placing WAY too much emphasis on national titles. Miles and Chizik have shown that simply coaching in the SEC and getting a little lucky is enough to win a national championship.
A Natty?
Harbaugh has taken two programs from irrelevance to championship caliber. His national championship will come. To drop him a tier because it hasn't happened yet is silly, as the odds have always been stacked against him.
You are judging coaches by what they have to work with, when you should be judging coaches by what they've done with what they had.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:16 pm to Korkstand
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You guys are placing WAY too much emphasis on national titles.
I agree. I don't think you could find anyone who would take Miles or Chizik over Harbaugh.
That in and of itself shows it's a flawed criteria. Harbaugh, in my opinion, has demonstrated he's among the elite.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:21 pm to Korkstand
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o drop him a tier because it hasn't happened yet is silly, as the odds have always been stacked against him.
I never dropped him a tier. I simply responded to your comment that his resume "literally could not be any better" by saying that it would be better had he won one already. Not knocking him for it.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:33 pm to Not Cooper
quote:In my defense, I did not say "literally".
I simply responded to your comment that his resume "literally could not be any better"
But yeah, fine, already having a NC on there would make it look better, but only ever so slightly IMO. My point was, given the college jobs he's had, it might not be humanly possible to put together a better resume than what he's done so far.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:34 pm to rintintin
I've been pro-Fedora and pro-Gundy on here but get hammered. they'd both be solid hires, more-so Gundy
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:45 pm to rintintin
Tom Coughlin
Posted on 10/10/16 at 12:47 pm to Korkstand
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Harbaugh has taken two programs from irrelevance to championship caliber. His national championship will come. To drop him a tier because it hasn't happened yet is silly, as the odds have always been stacked against him.
He did great turning Stanford into a stable program, but let's not act like Michigan was some monumental rebuild. His upperclassmen were part of top-10 recruiting classes. All they needed was competent coaching.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:04 pm to nvasil1
quote:Monumental? No. But very, very impressive. Michigan looked really, really bad (by Michigan standards) before Harbaugh showed up, and the recruiting had taken a major tumble as a result. It is very similar to the situation Meyer walked into at Florida, and people seem pretty impressed with him.
He did great turning Stanford into a stable program, but let's not act like Michigan was some monumental rebuild. His upperclassmen were part of top-10 recruiting classes. All they needed was competent coaching.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:38 pm to Korkstand
Yes, similar because Florida still had players for Meyer, too. If there is one thing you can't ding Zook for, it was his recruiting. They also just needed competent coaching.
Harbaugh is a fine coach, but I'd like to actually see him win something before fawning over how impressive he's been at Michigan. Win in East Lansing. Win in Columbus. Hell, win the conference since they haven't even done that in over a decade.
Harbaugh is a fine coach, but I'd like to actually see him win something before fawning over how impressive he's been at Michigan. Win in East Lansing. Win in Columbus. Hell, win the conference since they haven't even done that in over a decade.
Posted on 10/10/16 at 1:47 pm to Korkstand
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as the odds have always been stacked against him.
exactly, not very easy to win a natty at Stanford for crying out loud, he just turned around a terrible 49er team into superbowl team and lost a close game to his older brother... he is up there with Saban and Meyer..
Posted on 10/10/16 at 2:16 pm to rintintin
Stoops is a loser. We should never consider him. Overrated.
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