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re: Dave Aranda is the future of the LSU football program
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:00 am to Damone
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:00 am to Damone
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With Aranda locked in, if O shits the bed next season his buyout will be significantly lower and LSU will be in a position to move on from him while retaining the most important cog in the wheel and hopefully salvaging what they can from the 2019 recruiting class.
Hopefully Les gets the AZ job to soften the blow of buying out Orgeron's bullshite contract.
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Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:02 am to Damone
There is some serious double standards going on within LSU fans and the only difference is Dave Arandas name is not Ed Orgeron. Don't twist my meanings, I would sign a petition to make Dave Aranda the head coach tomorrow but holy shite it's a glaring double standard.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:06 am to CajunTiger_225
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but holy shite it's a glaring double standard.
Please elaborate
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:23 am to Damone
I'm not implicating your op but the responses and how people would feel about making Dave Aranda a head coach. It's essentially no different than making Ed Orgeron the head coach but fans respect Dave Aranda and have the patience to give him time while they want Ed Orgeron out immediately even though however you slice it the variables and questions marks remain the same among both coaches.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:28 am to CajunTiger_225
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Don't twist my meanings, I would sign a petition to make Dave Aranda the head coach tomorrow but holy shite it's a glaring double standard
This doesn’t make any damn sense.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:28 am to CajunTiger_225
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questions marks remain the same among both coaches.
Nope. Ed orgeron already failed at a division rival. We know what we have in him. Aranda could be good or could be bad, but we already know orgeron is bad.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:33 am to SportTiger1
Kirby was “unproven”
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:39 am to TH03
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Ed orgeron already failed at a division rival. We know what we have in him. Aranda could be good or could be bad, but we already know orgeron is bad
See heres where the struggle lies. What Ed Orgeron did 10 years ago at a much inferior program should hold no bearing on how his job performance is graded now. People choose to use that against him because they never wanted him to get the job in the first place. Notice the South Carolina fans don't bitch around the clock about Will Muschamp and that was much more recent. And without fail if any coach ever has any type of success at Ole Miss we immediately tie it to cheating so where does it stop?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:43 am to CajunTiger_225
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What Ed Orgeron did 10 years ago at a much inferior program should hold no bearing on how his job performance is graded now.
What? That is his resume, that is what you judge him by. Look at what he did this season and he reverted back to exactly what he was doing at Ole Miss. You cannot ignore his horrendous record as HC.
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Notice the South Carolina fans don't bitch around the clock about Will Muschamp and that was much more recent.
That's because Will Muschamp won more SEC games in his first year at UF than O did in his entire career at Ole Miss.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:55 am to Damone
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That's because Will Muschamp won more SEC games in his first year at UF than O did in his entire career at Ole Miss
Why does every argument against Orgeron have to be a giant exaggeration? Okay so if we're looking at it like that then Ed Orgeron, in his first year at LSU, won more games than he ever did at Ole Miss. Trending up. What about the games he won at USC?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 9:58 am to CajunTiger_225
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Why does every argument against Orgeron have to be a giant exaggeration?
That's not an exaggeration, it's an indisputable fact that O won only 3 SEC games in his entire career at Ole Miss.
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in his first year at LSU, won more games than he ever did at Ole Miss. Trending up.
Great. He also had the worst loss to Mississippi State that LSU has ever suffered and lost to TROY.
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What about the games he won at USC?
Interim coach =/= head coach
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:21 am to Damone
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That's not an exaggeration, it's an indisputable fact that O won only 3 SEC games in his entire career at Ole Miss
I'll never understand how that pertains to the jobs he doing now at LSU. It's a matter of no faith, false perceptions, and further examples of catastrophe syndrome. The Orgeron hate is propped up on that any other candidate is guaranteed more success when thats just a serious fallacy. Look at all the coaching changes that occur every year. It's hit or miss why is there such overwhelming urgency to call it a miss when it hasn't even fell through yet? You can see the contradiction in ignoring his successes just because you have already counted him out?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:26 am to Damone
Aranda has a long track record of success coaching defense as a defensive coordinator. Eddy O is a glorified bag man for recruiting and already failed as a head coach. Giving Aranda the job is not comparable to awarding the job to Orgeron. Plus their temperaments and coaching style could not be more different.
Promoting Aranda would be tantamount to UGA hiring Smart, UT hiring Pruitt, Florida hiring Muschamp, and FSU hiring Jimbo. It carries with it some risk and could go well or horrible, but it has greater potential for success than promoting a proven loser in Orgeron.
Promoting Aranda would be tantamount to UGA hiring Smart, UT hiring Pruitt, Florida hiring Muschamp, and FSU hiring Jimbo. It carries with it some risk and could go well or horrible, but it has greater potential for success than promoting a proven loser in Orgeron.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:33 am to south bama tiger
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has greater potential for success than promoting a proven loser in Orgeron
And I say it has the equally same potential. Did Orgeron prove further he was a failure when he took over for USC? Did he reassure the idea he was a failure when took over for Les? Did he prove he was a failure winning 9 games in his first full year? Oh Troy. But oh Auburn.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:48 am to CajunTiger_225
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Did he reassure the idea he was a failure when took over for Les?
Ed O already has four really bad losses as LSU's HC.
The loss to Florida in '16. The loss to Miss State in '17. The loss to Troy in '17. The loss to Notre Dame in '18.
So, in short... he hasn't done anything that makes me think he's an elite, NC potential type coach.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 10:50 am to RuLSU
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an elite, NC potential type coach.
There's been like 3 of these in the past 10 years. I'm not arguing Orgeron is that but who is?
Posted on 1/4/18 at 12:08 pm to CajunTiger_225
quote:Possibly Aranda? The whole point of the OP.
I'm not arguing Orgeron is that but who is?
Orgeron's limited ceiling and bottomless floor are glaringly apparent. It's not as though he can become 15 years younger while gaining 40+ IQ.
Aranda is 41 years old, bright, dedicated and has demonstrated the possibility for great potential.
The idea that you think Orgeron and Aranda being treated differently is somehow a double standard is asinine.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 12:48 pm to SportTiger1
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But his attention to detail and process make a me think he will be really good
his almost Savant-level attention to detail is very similar to Nick Saban......DA will be LSU-s HC at some point. And, I hope so.
Posted on 1/4/18 at 1:06 pm to CajunTiger_225
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What Ed Orgeron did 10 years ago at a much inferior program should hold no bearing on how his job performance is graded now
Thats just completely idiotic.
No coach in the history of college football has ever won an NC after starting off as bad as O did in his first 3 years.
The current issues with Matt Canada, the 2 early season losses, etc. are a direct reflection of O's time at Ole Miss.
The fact is, coaches dont really change that much. Sure, they improve as they get more experience. But, coaches dont go from Horrible to Elite. It just doesn't happen, and history proves that.
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