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re: Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:39 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:39 pm to MontyFranklyn
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Great at Kentucky, good at Louisville.
he's been pretty good at UL
won a title and has had multiple #1/2 seeds
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Spurrier, great at Florida and good at USCe.
So Carolina doesn't have near the talent or money that UF has...plus he's been fricking awesome there
the SEC is just a lot stronger these days
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Holtz, great at ND and bad at USCe
what is this...i don' even...
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Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:40 pm to The Mick
quote:Dude that is my whole point. So why is it a foregone conclusion that Saban can replicate the same thing there?
Texas has been #1 for about 8 years straight now without winning shite and calling for their coach's head.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:41 pm to The Mick
I'd like to see NFL merch. The Cowboys probably sell more than the Patriots or Seahawks or Saints
Eta: I realize I'm proving the opposite point
Eta: I realize I'm proving the opposite point
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Dude you..... i.....
SlowFlowPro
I just said that and you point out examples proving my points.This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:43 pm to genro
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The Cowboys probably sell more than the Patriots or Seahawks or Saints
no fricking shite
again...winning by itself doesn't make you a national program
that's why Bama was on a multiple decade hiatus until Saban showed up
that's why Michigan has been a national program for 4 decades while only winning 1 title
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:43 pm to MontyFranklyn
petino was great at UK and is great at UL
spurrier was great at UF and is great at USC
it's the coach
spurrier was great at UF and is great at USC
it's the coach
This post was edited on 12/15/13 at 3:44 pm
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:No
petino was great at UK and is great at UL
quote:Frick no
spurrier was great at UF and is great at USC
quote:
it's the coach
Hell no
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's why Bama was on a multiple decade hiatus until Saban showed up
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:45 pm to MontyFranklyn
So let me get this straight... Some of you Bama fans feel that Saban is mainly successful because he coaches at Bama and not some other school? Your arrogance has reached an all time high. I never imagined you would be knocking your own coach with the hopes of keeping his services.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:46 pm to Laman1978
quote:No. No one has said that.
So let me get this straight... Some of you Bama fans feel that Saban is mainly successful because he coaches at Bama and not some other school?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:46 pm to MontyFranklyn
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No
he's been a 1/2 seed a great number of years at UL
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Frick no
have you seen what South Carolina has done? i mean SOUTH CAROLINA...they were shittier than vandy when he took over
he's been awesome. multiple top-10 finishes. that's insane
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:47 pm to genro
nobody except SEC fans gave a frick about Bama until 2008, and then it was a national "LOL" at Saban for losing to Utah (he was still a national pariah at that time, if you recall...he was a villain)
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:47 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Now you're proving our point. Spurrier was better at UF than SCar. Why?
i mean SOUTH CAROLINA.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:47 pm to Laman1978
quote:Show me where he was able to do the same thing so fast previous to Bama. The right coach at the right program equals what you see from Bama and Saban. We need each other.
Some of you Bama fans feel that Saban is mainly successful because he coaches at Bama and not some other school?
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:48 pm to genro
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Spurrier was better at UF than SCar. Why?
UF has more money and more local talent
just like UT has more money and more local talent than Alabama, and LSU has more money and local talent than MSU
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:48 pm to genro
You've basically been insinuating it all day.
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:from 2005:
nobody except SEC fans gave a frick about Bama until 2008,
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Florida was pretty shitty when he took over as well, not Vandy shitty but shitty.
.they were shittier than vandy when he took over
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
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coaches make the difference. you can't win at an elite level without a great one
Again, Patino. Great at Kentucky, good at Louisville. Huge difference. Spurrier, great at Florida and good at USCe. Holtz, great at ND and bad at USCe, decent at Arky I guess. Not really sure.
Don't try and change this argument from your earlier argument that "prior program success predicts future outcomes" to "every program has the same advantage"
Alabama with anything other than a special coach probably wins nothing worth mentioning. That is more true now than ever because of recruiting issues.
Texas, Texas A&M, LSU, Florida, FSU, Miami, USC, Oregon, tOSU, Michigan, etc win at elite levels with great coaches and don't without.
The idea however that a program like Michigan or Notre Dame or whatever historically successful program has an advantage of a more recently emerged power like Florida or whoever you like is fundamentally an idiotic hypothesis IMO. Texas is the ultimate example of an under-achieving program atm and with a Saban level coach could dominate college football like nothing we've seen before (assuming he can maintain his present levels of good coordinator hires, physical health, and mental acuity)
Posted on 12/15/13 at 3:50 pm to MontyFranklyn
He won a National Title pretty darn quickly at LSU, and he recruited the talent to win another in 2007. That is pretty darn close. Had he stayed, he would have won more. There is no doubt in my mind. The LSU program was pretty bad when Saban came along.
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