re: Could Saban really have the same success at Texas?

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what success has Minnesota, Arky and GT had that is remotely significant?

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well GT's last national championship was 2 years prior to the last one Bama had prior to Saban

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which is stupid when you realize it would make you think Minnesota, Georgia Tech, Arkansas or Ole Miss were better jobs than FSU, Miami, and Florida in 1980

Now this is a stupid statement simply because 2 of the latter mentioned teams had to be built from the ground up, had no national presence and little stability.

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The latter programs mentioned (Miami and FSU) had a profound advantage in geography which leads to a profound football recruiting advantage and a competitive advantage.

The argument from many Bama tards that prior success relates directly to future success is stupid because it ignores the changing nature of football and the enormous potential of some programs on the basis of their geography.

Undoubtedly a program like Minnesota or Ole Miss had a superior history compared to FSU or Miami years ago, but that's the point. Their historical success inversely correlates with future success if you put them up against a sleeping giant program. Texas right now is obviously sleeping relative to their potential. There is no reason for them not to win their conference and contend for a national championship regularly.

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bama has just recently become a national brand (like LSU). they're the new USC and have a bandwagon

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Oh you're right. No one knew about Bama before that. Especially not during the titles they won in the Bryant era. Or topping Miami in the Sugar Bowl. Totally not synonymous with football. LSU on the other hand, they're the national brand. Tons of success before 2000.

Jesus. Alabama has more titles using every method imaginable. AP alone, Bama's claims, even Chicken's claims.

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We're trying to gauge a national consciousness.

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national sales of merch is a good, objective guide

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I will say Alabama is a national brand more so than you think.

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i already said they're the king of the CFB bandwagon fans. the new/current USC

that would evaporate in a year or 2 after sabes left y'all, though. nobody argued Bama was a national program under shula

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y'all bama folks really do think people give a shite about this. y'all are as bad as michigan and notre dame fans

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plus a billion

coaches make the difference. you can't win at an elite level without a great one

As stated, this is a really simple dick- measuring contest. Texas' apparel sales are still higher that Bamas even though Bama has won 3/4 NC's and Texas has been yelling for their coach's head for several years.

My head is going to explode with your circular non-reasoning

Obviously you guys want to pretend a program will succeed now because it once did. But that logic completely falls apart when you look at programs like FSU and Miami who grew to national powerhouses because of the combination of the right coaching hires and the right recruiting advantages

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coaches make the difference. you can't win at an elite level without a great one

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Again, Patino. Great at Kentucky, good at Louisville. Huge difference. Spurrier, great at Florida and good at USCe. Holtz, great at ND and bad at USCe, decent at Arky I guess. Not really sure.

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The historical presence is the foundation that future success can be easily built on.

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Florida State, Miami, Oregon, UF, and LSU prove that this statement is bullshite.

the foundation of success is: ability to acquire talent + rich boosters. if you can do this, you will do well

if history mattered so much, Harvard, Princeton, etc would still be great and Michigan wouldn't suck dick right now

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Again, take CBB teams like Kentucky, North Carolina, UCLA and Kansas.

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they all need good/great coaches. those coaches + the resources available = success

like i said earlier...Saban + CFB program with resources = domination. he could do the same with 2 handfuls of programs not named Alabama

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No one knew about Bama before that.

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because that's exactly waht i said, right?

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Especially not during the titles they won in the Bryant era.

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did i ever say Bama wasn't a national program during Bryant's tenure? that was decades ago

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Alabama has more titles using every method imaginable.

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and only your fans actually care about them

Michigan has won like 1 natty and is a much bigger national program, and HAS BEEN one for longer than Alabama has

such is life