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I feel like just being his sister and seeing her would be a much more simple and just as effective way of doing it.


This would very big departure from the "coming of age" story and would make the story of the country kids escaping into the wide world see it and grow into adulthood.

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Not necessarily. "Kids" get married in small towns all of the time. He still doesn't know a thing about the outside world. And my guess is they would make them newly married, possibly that night. It would make sense why Perrin is so crazy over protective and clingy with Faile. There's also no deaths of any real characters for several books, it gives some stakes to the game.

Trollocs are basically stormtroopers shooting early on

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Sure but the sort of co-dependent nature of him and Mat and Rand at the beginning doesn't work with Perrin married. Although Perrin would have to be extremely depressed the whole trip I guess. Personally I'd rather them just kill his family winternight - its not like it plays some crazy role later IMO.

If he gets married that night I could see it working and not being too impactful on the tone of the beginning of the series.

I'm not saying it won't work, it just doesn't seem necessary to add some sort of massive traumatic event to a character at the very beginning of the story.

To me it just seems the kind of event that, if you are writing the story from the beginning, would be one of things you wrap their development, mindset, and character.

But i fricking hated Perrin so maybe if they do it, he will be more interesting.

Ya i probably did hate Faile worse than Perrin.

I assume we will see a lot of different dynamics between the various in-story relationships. RJ must have fallen head over heels in love when he first saw his wife ... cause he definitely seemed to think that was how all relationships worked.

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And of course Mat is "in love" with someone that would enslave a lot of his best friends if given the chance. Dumb

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Mat's works for me - he feels it is inevitable due to the prophecy and all that (although it certainly isn't feasible in the real world).

Rand and Aviendah kind of works, I guess Min does as well due to her visions. And the sharing, between them two, at lease works because of Aeil culture and sort of because of Min's visions. As you said Elayne just doesn't fit at all and it can easily just be ignored very simply without changing the story at all.

I know people have been worried Min is getting cut, but I think that would be a mistake, her visions play a large role in Rands decision making for better or worse throughout the middle section of the story). She also is his main guiding force and only real companion for much of the story after Moiraine

I hope they don't mess with the Aiel sister wife shite or whatever too much. I like the different cultures that differ in morer than just clothing and food, etc.

Min and Rand is the only relationship that really flows naturally, and that is mainly because she's one of the only females that is written normally.

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For instance, Rand and Elayne. They kiss a few times and then don’t see each other for like 5 books, he sleeps with multiple other women, and she’s like “cool I’m a queen and all but still love you!”

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He's taveren. Other people get caught in the current as the pattern weaves itself around him. It's a little gimmicky but throughout the books people don't behave rationally around Rand.

I was doing my re-read and am getting into the meat of the generally terrible seciton. I forgot how the whole Berelain thing made Faile / Perrin even worse - just didn't work at all.


So I'm kind of doing this thinking where they will just subtract stuff.


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But Path of Daggers has a lot of good stuff, seanchan invasion, perrin going to find masema doesn't have a lot going on for it, but then rand leading illian and then the betrayal in Cairhein are all legit.

Winter's Heart is solid for the back half of it - rand dealing with the traitors, then the tains. (and the beginning / faile getting captured is mainly terrible because now we know how long we have to deal with that storyline.

Crossroads of twilight I'm pretty sure has some tar valon siege action which is i guess its best part. Everything else is looking for Faile and Elayne in Andor, which is all quite boring.

Knife of Dreams Mat gets back with the Band, and Rand has the big battle trying to create a truce with the Seanchan which is all solid, Seige of white tower continues...


I really think they can just cut out the whole Elayne machinations for the throne thing - and probably scale backe Morgase character a ton. She doesn't add much at all IMO. Obviously scale back the searching for Faile action and that is almost a whole book right there (also maybe focus more on dealing with the Shaido and not just search for Faile). Also the Seige of the white tower can be sped up a good bit.

Just not good planning to drop so many slow developing storylines in that one stretch. Plus I think rand starts to get all kind of bitchy, the mat storyline isn't as fun and all as it usually is in there...

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Yup. Just show Egwene with Vora's sa'angreal wrecking shite.

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Ya, they can basically show them getting to the tower in a scene at the end of one season - next season start her sinking the ship and getting captured, do a couple scenes flashing to her doing whatever it is in the tower, being a novice and getting all the shite on the Black Ajah and then end that season with the seanchan attack / executions and shite. That covers like 3 books of egwene / tower quickly.

Basically I'd like them to show quite a lot of what happens in the first 7 / 8 books and then it can start condensing some of these storylines.

I actually really liked Egwene's story up until the siege dragged on, the Waste and Salidar stuff I thought was done well.

No. No one knows and they have kept a very tight lid on things since Amazon PR got involved.

We THINK that it will be all of book 1 and at least some parts of Book 2, if not all of it. This is based on the titles of episodes that were released during the screen writing process, we know the titles of Episodes 1-4 and Episode 6. Episode 6 is the same title of a chapter from Book 2 and there is absolutely no scene from Book 1 that it could come from.

We don't know how many episodes it will be. We don't know what parts it will cover. We only know the very main cast members. They haven't announced any of the other actors despite having been filming for almost two months now.

It is PROBABLY 8-10 episodes and PROBABLY most of books 1 and 2, based on the extremely long shoot (9 months...much longer than a GOT season shoot).