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Posted on 6/14/22 at 3:07 pm to
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 6/14/22 at 3:07 pm to
Oh interesting choice, I wonder how differently biased it is covering the crusades from the Islamic angle .

As for me- I just started San Fransicko- how progressives ruin cities
Posted by Telos
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 5:33 am to
De re publica - Cicero
Posted by TAMU-93
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Posted on 6/15/22 at 10:37 am to
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky
Posted by NoHoTiger
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 12:49 pm to
In the Blood by Jack Carr
Posted by SW2SCLA
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Posted on 6/16/22 at 6:34 pm to
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Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media by Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky


How is it so far? It's in my kindle queue
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:21 am to
quote:

Oh interesting choice, I wonder how differently biased it is covering the crusades from the Islamic angle .


I’m about halfway through. I love the subject matter and I’m enjoying the presentation. One thing I’m not sure if is what parts are from Islamic sources and what aren’t. It could be that I’m listening to the audiobook and missing out on footnotes, I don’t know. But he gives nice narratives about events, and I appreciate how he doesn’t only focus on the Levantine but also talks extensively about other war fronts such as Sicily and Spain. But my issue is his narrative doesn’t always seem, or at least it’s not clearly evident to me, to come from Islamic sources. He will sometimes mention what a specific Islamic source says about an event—but this makes me wonder about all the narrative he’s giving that he doesn’t mention the source.

His book may include footnotes that clarify, or perhaps the Islamic sources are simply too fragmented to form a coherent history, I don’t know. But what I’m trying to clumsily say is the book is interesting and it certainly does cite a lot of Islamic sources but I can’t always tell what parts are not coming from Islamic sources.

As far as the Muslims’ viewpoint, overall it seems the Muslims had a healthy respect for the fighting prowess of the Franks, and generally hated the Franks and considered jihad against the Franks to be utmost importance and a high honor. Everything that modern academia has come to hate about the Crusaders can be said about Muslims of the same era.

Posted by Telos
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:51 am to
On the Laws - Cicero
Posted by LordSnow
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 3:27 pm to
Sandstorm - James Rollins
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 7:22 pm to
quote:

As far as the Muslims’ viewpoint, overall it seems the Muslims had a healthy respect for the fighting prowess of the Franks, and generally hated the Franks and considered jihad against the Franks to be utmost importance and a high honor. Everything that modern academia has come to hate about the Crusaders can be said about Muslims of the same era.


I’m reminded of the crusades by Thomas asbridge, at the end , he goes in to talk about how almost 1,000 years later , it’s still Islam vs Christianity . Crazy to think about it but as rust cohle says “time is a flat circle”
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 6/18/22 at 7:27 pm to
Yes I read the Asbridge book also. Love this time period.

For the Muslims, from this book, the conflict with Christianity was unapologetically a religious holy war. And it did not start with Urban’s sermon in Clermont as it does for westerners. That sermon, perhaps understandably, is not moment at all for Muslims. They viewed the holy war as beginning before the First Crusade, in Sicily and Spain.
Posted by GreenRockTiger
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 1:55 pm to
The Searcher by Tana French
Posted by Telos
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 7:19 pm to
The Heroes - Joe Abercrombie
Posted by PillPusher
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 8:49 pm to
Neuromancer - William Gibson
Posted by TAMU-93
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Posted on 6/19/22 at 11:06 pm to
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How is it so far? It's in my kindle queue


It feels dated. It was written in 1988. The new intro was added in 2002. Everything in the book was written prior to the social media explosion, which has had a profound effect on mainstream media.
Posted by Lawyered
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:33 am to
The Trojan war- Barry Strauss

Easy little 185 page read

Then got a 900 page Napoleon biography looming on the nightstand. That ones gonna be a hoss
This post was edited on 6/20/22 at 8:34 am
Posted by nes2010
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:27 am to
I read Shogun after seeing so many people on here recommend it. It was pretty good. I am following it up with Confessions of a Yakuza.
Posted by Hoyt
Alabama: The Beautiful
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 6:04 am to
Devil’s Hand by Jack Carr

Book 4 of the James Reece series
Posted by tke_swamprat
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:15 am to
Still reading the first Game of Thrones book. Put it down for a bit and read The Bomber Mafia. Was really good good but really short. Pick back of GoT and been flying through it. It’s definitely gotten really interesting.

May reread The Boys in the Boat after I’m finished GoT.
Posted by Masterag
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 10:36 am to
Narrative of the life of Fredrick Douglass - Fredrick Douglass

Intellectuals and Society - Tom Sowell

The truth and beauty - Andrew Klavan
Posted by LordSnow
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Posted on 6/23/22 at 9:28 am to
Trapping Zero - Jack Mars
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