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More&Les
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Publishing, anyone?
So, I have my first book (2 actually) ready to go to print. Ive followed the traditional route to no avail. Im thinking its time to go indy....

Anyone have experience, advice?

LSU fans and Louisianans will love my book, I think...


NoHoTiger
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. Im thinking its time to go indy.

I've published a novel and 2 short stories through Amazon's self-publishing. Currently in the final stages of my current novel and already started the next one. The biggest issue is marketing and getting it out there for people to know it's there.

Try to hunt down Liquid Rabbit. He writes "The Beers" books and just published his most recent. Get his take on publishing.

Good luck!!

Let the folks on the Book Board know when you've published.


Sneaky__Sally
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What kind of books do yall write? I'm an aspiring writer who has bitten off way more than I can chew but working my way towards competency lol.


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Hi Sneaky...My first ones are basically chick lit. The two short stories are "The Cupcake Did It" and "The Big Girls Guide to Speed Dating." The novel is "Boring Takes A Holiday." One children's book "Welcome to the World My Beautiful Girl" I wrote my niece was born. I've also written three other children's books, but can't draw for crap, so I'm looking for an illustrator that won't break the bank.

My current work in progress is "He Just Needed Killing" kind of a dark comedy murder with the characters doing LOTS of day drinking.

The newest one is a bit of a departure. Definitely darker..working title "A Lover's Loss" but that may change.

I tend to be a stream of consciousness writer and writing when it hits me, but trying to get better about writing SOMETHING every day.

Keep me posted on what's going on.

Good luck!!
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liquid rabbit
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Both Amazon and Barnes & Noble offer self-publishing programs. The learning curve is fairly steep, but after you get one done, you'll understand what's required.

I went the traditional route with a publisher for my first two novels. The publisher didn't help any, took most of the royalties, wouldn't let me pick the cover, etc. Then I decided I could do it on my own and earn higher royalties. I have regained the rights to the first two and have re-published them with a cover of my own design.

It's more work to go this route, but you'll be happier in the end.


NoHoTiger
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Hey Rabbit. I’ll be buying the new one soon. Probably on my next round of Amazon!!


Sneaky__Sally
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Did any of you have a lot of writing experience prior to writing your first novels or getting them published?

I've always read a ton and have always sort of wanted to write a book / series but hadn't had a really good idea. I love well done fantasy and sci fi to a lesser extent. About two years ago I sort of had a lightbulb go off with an idea I finally felt like was worth trying to write. I've spent the last couple years always having a notebook with me when reading, watching tv, listening to books and been writing down character ideas, plot ideas, setting and also some short scenes and what other shows / books / movies have done well, etc.


I've finally got a strong sense of how that story should come together and I'm now taking those handwritten notes and crafting them into an outline, with background setting / worldbuilding, character dossier kind of stuff to help me write. I have about 5 full size legal pads and 9 or so of the small pads filled up - much of it is contradictory while i was working out how moving parts work - but once I finish getting all that typed into a cohesive guide on the computer, I'm taking my first real shot at a first draft.


Been listening to this online creative writing lectures and a fiction writing podcast on my work drives (do about 12 hours in the car every week for work). Its helped me understand the nuts and bolts of how a story should be structured, different archetypal plots and characters, etc.

I may come ask some questions from time to time if i get discouraged, but seeing some of you in here helps me think I may actually be able to pull it off haha.


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liquid rabbit
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Wow, you're a lot more organized than me.

When writing a series, you need to know your characters. Their background, ages, what they look like, etc. You should be able to draw a picture for the reader.

I started out with well-defined characters and just let them interact. They pretty much figure out what the story should be. I released five novels without doing an outline once. I tried it for #6 (in progress) but I veer off course frequently.


Sneaky__Sally
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Ya, my problem is that I love epic fantasy type books so that is what I meant in that I've bitten off more than I can chew haha.

I figured out a lot of good plot points, worldbuilding and then a lot of the kind of characters I need, sort of a murky view of their motivations and mindset. My plan is to figure out a lot more of who those characters are while i type out all this outline stuff and then again as I write the first daft be sure i'm learning more about who they, where they come from.

since COVID i've been reading a ton, even more than usual and also had a lot of time to listen to some podcasts and have had a lot of good ideas to help me round out the story - it had felt really one dimensional with my main idea - so I feel good about trying to bring it all together in the future, just need to develop a voice and writing style.

It will be a difficult process, but i love the feeling when i have ideas that come together and leads into other stuff firing off that just works together - if I can get a few moments like that when i'm actually writing the prose then I know I'll be able to stick with it.


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I love well done fantasy and sci fi to a lesser extent


Any of you writers dabble in running games for table top RPGs?

Might help you iron stuff out.


Sneaky__Sally
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i never even really new that existed until stranger things and such. I just read a ton and played video games, but i'm sure i would have loved that kind of stuff if I had been exposed to it


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i never even really new that existed until stranger things and such. I just read a ton and played video games, but i'm sure i would have loved that kind of stuff if I had been exposed to it



Never too late. The latest edition of Dungeons & Dragons (5th Edition) is really accessible to new players, and is pretty popular these days with "Stranger Things" and the world of YouTube.

Channels like Critical Role are hugely popular, but might give you the wrong impression on how an actual game might go. Those folks are professional actors or voice actors...not everyone is that good. Haha.

Can find WWE wrestlers playing. The guy that was in "True Blood" and "Magic Mike," married to Sofia Vergera, is big into it. Has his own accessories company called Death Saves, and a Game Dungeon at his house with all sorts of geeky crap in it. Stephen Colbert is a nerd for it, and supposedly Vin Diesel plays it as well.


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NoHoTiger
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I released five novels without doing an outline once.

Outlines for me are very bare. Basically I start out knowing how it will end. Then I just pencil in some broad "stuff". I work on details as I'm writing the first draft. The major details for me start in the first big round of edits.

Most people just have to figure out what works for them and go with it.

I can see my writing evolving every time I write something new. I'm enjoying it.


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NoHoTiger
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Sneaky__Sally

I took a Master Class with James Patterson. The biggest take away was, if you want to be a writer, you have to write. It's good to have a process, but find what works for you and write.

I'm probably the most analog person I know. I write long hand. Then type into a word doc. Print it out and make edits/revisions long hand. Rinse repeat. I think I single-handedly ensure that loose leaf paper and post it notes will always be made.


Sneaky__Sally
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Ya that was why i wrote it down in notebook - so i wouldn't keep going back to edit. Just let the ideas flow and if some were contradictory, that is fine.

Brandon Sanderson taught a sci fi / fantasy writing class and posted the lectures online so i kind of took that and also listened to Stephen King's On Writing book. But they say the same stuff, just have to keep writing and learn to finish something - even if it isn't very good. Just finish it and once it is complete you can figure out if you think that story is worth going back and doing another draft to fix up or move on to the next story.


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More&Les
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So, im working with a company for book design; covers, interior layout, final copy edit (working with a developmental editor) ISBN, ebook, audiobook etc... Amazon, Kindle, etc...

They came highly recommended and have a lot of successful authors in their stable, gonna cost about $7k all in to launch


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More&Les
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What kind of books do yall write?


So my two that are finished is a fictional memoir about my family in general, specifically my mother. It is set in Livingston Parrish in tbe 50s/then Baton Rouge. LSU fans will be interested I think, my father was good friends with Billy Cannon and part of the book is an insider account of the counterfeiting scheme....

Sequel is essential my memoir of my farrel youth, incarceration and life transformation into a semi-respectable citizen and successful business man.


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blueridgeTiger
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I've published four novels on Amazon - originally it was called createspace, but now called kdp (kindle direct publishing). It costs almost nothing - I paid for cover art from Shutterstock, and paid an editor, but otherwise I've incurred no other expenses.

Now the downside - marketing. It takes much effort (and some expense) to get your work before the buying public.


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TulaneLSU
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Friend,

I started self publishing through Amazon. Relative success achieved, a publisher house came to me and now this house publishes for me. Amazon is perhaps the best way to get a start. You might also want to approach Pelican Press if you are truly a good writer. If it's just some LSU themed junk without any real skill, they won't take you seriously. However, if you have the gift, they would be an absolute great source of info and if they offer to publish, accept.

Yours,
TulaneLSU


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