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Finally read Animal Farm. Question
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/24/18 at 12:23 pm
On a flight from Baton Rouge to Cleveland with a layover in Charlotte and I was able to start and finish Animal Farm in that time. Short though it was it was one of the most profound cultural commentaries I have read to date.
Now that I have finally read it though, I pose the question, when people call the police pigs or when communists call Americans Pig Dogs, do you think they realize the connection they are making to the book or do you think they are saying it just because it seems insulting?
Now that I have finally read it though, I pose the question, when people call the police pigs or when communists call Americans Pig Dogs, do you think they realize the connection they are making to the book or do you think they are saying it just because it seems insulting?
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Posted on 5/24/18 at 2:22 pm to 31LSUTigers31
Subtle brag.
Kidding, just ordered it, looking forward to the read. Always meant to read this and 1984. Knocked out 1984 a few months ago.
Kidding, just ordered it, looking forward to the read. Always meant to read this and 1984. Knocked out 1984 a few months ago.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 3:13 pm to 31LSUTigers31
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when people call the police pigs
Very very very small percentage of those people have ever heard of "Animal Farm", much less have read the contents.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 3:28 pm to Saskwatch
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Very very very small percentage of those people have ever heard of "Animal Farm", much less have read the contents
But that doesn't mean the phrase didn't come from the book. I don't have an answer to whether or not it comes from Animal Farm, but there are tons of phrases people use that they have no idea where they came from. For example, the other day I said the phrase "Open Sesame" to my 15 month old daughter. I started thinking that this would make no sense to a baby. Then, I realized I had no idea where it came from. So, I googled it. I'm guessing many on the book board probably know, but it's from Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 3:32 pm to DestrehanTiger
Police were called pigs before this book was written.
Posted on 5/24/18 at 6:52 pm to DestrehanTiger
There is a book and possible series called Why we say what we say. Check it out if you get a chance. It explains saying like that.
And Open Seasame is from Bugs Bunny
And Open Seasame is from Bugs Bunny
Posted on 5/24/18 at 7:47 pm to HandGrenade
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Unlike so many other nicknames for the police, such as cops and the fuzz, this particular term has a relatively well known origin. You see, starting around the sixteenth century “pig” began being used in English as a derogatory term for people, whether police or not, as it still sometimes is used today. It took about three more centuries, but this particular insult inevitably became a popular nickname for oft-insulted police officers, with the first documented reference to this being in the Dictionary of Buckish Slang, University Wit and Pickpocket Eloquence, published in London in 1811. In it, the pertinent line in question is: “The pigs frisked my panney, and nailed my screws.” Meaning: “The officers searched my house, and seized my picklocks.”
Posted on 5/25/18 at 5:55 pm to 31LSUTigers31
The pigs in the book are Communists, not cops. So that wouldn't make much sense.
Posted on 5/26/18 at 9:17 am to tigahbruh
Well all the animals are communists, the pigs are the authority figures so it kinda relates
Posted on 5/26/18 at 6:25 pm to Saskwatch
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Very very very small percentage of those people have ever heard of "Animal Farm", much less have read the contents.
Most people don’t know the origins of phrases they use everyday, and they don’t even realize that the source meant the opposite of today’s usage.
So this point is moot.
That said: I don’t think there was a deeper political meaning with the selection of pigs as the leading animal.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 4:35 pm to tigahbruh
Just read it, agree with tigerbruh.
The pigs are the ruling class of Soviet Communism.
Napoleon and Snowball are modeled after Stalin and Trotsky respectively.
The pigs are the ruling class of Soviet Communism.
Napoleon and Snowball are modeled after Stalin and Trotsky respectively.
Posted on 5/28/18 at 6:42 pm to 31LSUTigers31
Doubt their literacy - pigs and dogs are cross-cultural insults.
Posted on 6/1/18 at 2:57 pm to CoachChappy
Nah coach, that's "open, sez me".
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 2:59 pm
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