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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:34 pm to
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:34 pm to
Ser Amory Lorch killed the girl .
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:43 pm to
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I'm sticking with the theory that Aegon is a Blackfyre

It's a good theory and there is definitely plenty of supporting details for it. The challenge for Aegon would still be the same: rally a big army and defeat the usurpers.

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"Black or red, a dragon is still a dragon". - Illyrio Mopatis
Posted by TK421
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:44 pm to
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"Elia of Dorne", they all heard Ser Gregor say when they were close enough to kiss. His deep voice boomed within the helm. "I killed her screaming whelp"..."THEN I raped her."


Wow, nice catch.
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 3:47 pm to
That's right, forgot about that. Drug her from under a bed and stabbed her to death.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:15 pm to
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One of the biggest points made in TP&TQ is the fact that dragons, even grown ones, can be broken without magic.


And ridden by Targaryan Bastards (or mixed Targarysn blood). Opens up a whole new world of possibilities.
Posted by SLafourche07
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:39 pm to
Is it possible that Jon is a Targaryen bastard, but since Robb legitimized him (albeit to be a Stark), he is now unknowingly a true Targaryen. Or do people just believe that R + L were secretly married?
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:40 pm to
Yes, but my theory is a little outside the normal ones. I think that Ashara Dayne is Aegon's mother and is posing as Septa Mordane to look over him. That part of the theory is out there and quite a few people believe that to be the case. My theory differs in that I believe that Ashara was raped by Aerys at the Tourney at Harrenhal and that the child that she carried and supposedly lost was from him, making him a bastard Targ. Something bad happened to her at the Tourney and Barristan Selmy, who was in love with her, blamed a Stark, most likely Brandon. I think that was an assumption because Brandon (and Ned) had shown interest in her. I think it was that raping Mofo Aerys.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:42 pm to
I think Darkstar might be Brandon Stark's bastard. Aegon is Serra Blackfyre's child.
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 4:43 pm to
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Or do people just believe that R + L were secretly married?



Believe that 100%
Posted by putt23
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:19 pm to
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I think Darkstar might be Brandon Stark's bastard


Darkstark? no way

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Aegon is Serra Blackfyre's child


I hope he's the real Aegon and they can be the 3 heads, him Dany and Jon.

Well idk, I kinda want Dany to die
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:22 pm to
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he's the real Aegon and they can be the 3 heads, him Dany and Jon.

Completely agreed.

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and when the man’s eyes meet Dany’s, he says either to her or the woman with the baby, "There must be one more…The dragon has three heads", and he picks up a silver harp and begins to play
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:25 pm to
If Dany dies it will be at Aegon's/Varys hands. I don't think that meeting will end well.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:26 pm to
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In ASOS in the Davos chapter where he returns to Dragonstone intent on killing Mel, he is told that Stannis and Mel have been going into Dragonmont and into places where only she could go without being burned. Maybe they find more eggs or one of the wild dragons from TP&TQ. At this point, they would pretty much have to find a living dragon.




The theory I have here is that Mel misread another sign. It's not a dragon they're supposed to find underneath Dragonstone it's dragon glass. Dragonmont has a huge cache of obsidian underneath it. The COTF gave the first men obsidian daggers and arrows to fight TWW and guess who's back back again.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:29 pm to
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Is it possible that Jon is a Targaryen bastard, but since Robb legitimized him (albeit to be a Stark), he is now unknowingly a true Targaryen. Or do people just believe that R + L were secretly married?


It is probable that John is a Targaryan bastard. It is possible that he is a legitimate Targaryan heir. Since it is also possible that he was legitimized by Robb, it is also possible that he is the Stark heir.

Therefore is very possible that John is both Targ and Stark heir....... FIRE and ICE.

A Song of FIRE and ICE.

Who sits the throne at the end? The only man who truly sings the song of FIRE and ICE. John Targaryan Stark.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 5:31 pm
Posted by NIH
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:32 pm to
Yeah, Stannis has Ser Rolland Storm mine the obsedian in ADWD, I think.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:33 pm to
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Who sits the throne at the end? The only man who truly sings the song of FIRE and ICE. John Targaryan Stark.


Sigil: Three-headed dragon humping a dire wolf bitch.

Words: The Dire Wolf is cumming.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:35 pm to
Stan is using Mel as a fiery side piece


Also I haven't ever reread ADWD so they may have mentioned it I just can't recall.
This post was edited on 4/22/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:35 pm to
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Sigil: Three-headed dragon humping a dire wolf bitch. Words: The Dire Wolf is cumming.
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:44 pm to
Dany's vision of Rhaegar still doesn't make since to me, though. He says that the baby's name is Aegon, which obviously points to, well, Aegon, his son by Elia. But he also says that "his is the song of Ice and Fire". Really? WTF sense does that make unless it is Lyanna he is talking to?

There's also the story of the iron dragon head that washes up on the Quiet Isle. It was black when it disappeared, but when it washed back up on the shore the rust made it appear red.

Griff is not the real Aegon.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 4/22/14 at 5:51 pm to
Rhaegar was studying and fully believed in the PTWP and like we've seen with prophecy previously, he or Dany seeing the vision could be very wrong. We've also never heard the prophecy referencing the PTWP so ASOIAF could including in it's language. I'm hoping Sam or someone at the Citadel reveals the full prophecy.



I tend to agree though Griff is a fraud.
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