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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:50 am to Methuselah
Posted on 6/14/13 at 9:50 am to Methuselah
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Danny is out there in the grass sea with her dragon and maybe a few Dothraki if she can cow them or win them over.
And, don't forget, she's out there bleeding...pale mare or indication of renewed fertility? Prolly the latter, but what of the prophecy has she fulfilled (east to go west,etc...Son (of The Sun - Martell) set in the east, ok...)to return to an heir-birthing physicality?
Or did Darrio knock her up?
I'm thinking the fact that the former blood-rider of Drogo is now the ruler of Khalasar, in conjunction with past differences between the two bodes well for a capture of Dany, but Drogon's presence and current size will surely numb any lingering ill will from the new Khal...gotta remember, the Dothraki have (surely)known the news for a while that Dany had dragons, and the tall tales have become legend, and the legend has had time to grow a pretty tall shadow in the minds of the Khalasar...to come upon Drogon in all his glory will IMO have one of two effects on the new Khal:
1) Fear/ apprehension that can be shaped into respect, when he makes the connection that Drogon is her 'mount', she continues to live as she did with his people, and in this way, continues to honor his culture as well as his late best friend, her husband (who by the way will be another "eternally undefeated in battle"...akin to Rob Stark, Eddard Stark, Robert Baratheon, Tywin Lannister)
or
2) * A woman on a black flying horse is revealed to be an ancient Dothraki legend (probably born of sightings of Valyrian riders from before the Doom)
In recognizing this, the Khal no longer feels shame from being the past - bullied by a girl, and again he sees her with honor and respect, immediately pledging the D-raki version of fealty. * Very un-Martin like, I think...
I guess there is also a possibility that it's not the Khal that makes the connection but his riders, and he has to challenge Dany for control of the Khalasar.
...or she flat out challenges him...would give us an actual example of a dragon used as a weapon or sword...
any way you slice it, I think Dany returns to Mereen with a hefty 10,000 + mounted cavalry to add to her already impressive infantry. Now to secure ships (Victarian) and heavy artillery and she could finally be on her way...
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Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:39 am to Methuselah
another very telling quote from Martin:
From the same link you provided
I suspected this all along, in that the story tells itself...there is no concrete framework from beginning to end, other than a very vague idea...King always gave this "I'm just reporting it as it happens" idea of writing...like being along for the ride.
The biggest problem with epics written in this way, the author needs one hell of an editor, as well as a Robin Furth to study character/ plot history, to catalog cultural histories and traditions, languages, vocabulary, geography, etc to avoid accidental contradictions...without someone to serve in this capacity the writing/ editing process would be....lengthy.
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the power of my fiction comes from the emotional side of things and not the rationalist side of things. I prefer, for example, not to outline. I did outline during my Hollywood decade, because it’s required of you there, but on my own stories I have usually a general idea of where the story is going, but I do not break it all down and design it ahead of time. I just sort of fill in the blanks during the writing. The characters come alive and they take me to that destination, if the story is working.
From the same link you provided
I suspected this all along, in that the story tells itself...there is no concrete framework from beginning to end, other than a very vague idea...King always gave this "I'm just reporting it as it happens" idea of writing...like being along for the ride.
The biggest problem with epics written in this way, the author needs one hell of an editor, as well as a Robin Furth to study character/ plot history, to catalog cultural histories and traditions, languages, vocabulary, geography, etc to avoid accidental contradictions...without someone to serve in this capacity the writing/ editing process would be....lengthy.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:40 am to 19
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without someone to serve in this capacity the writing/ editing process would be....lengthy.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:18 am to 19
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another very telling quote from Martin:
Yeah, it is kinda evident in how much of clusterfrick his flash forward 5 year plan was and how choppy books 4 and 5 were that he didn't plan the series out well enough.
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I suspected this all along, in that the story tells itself...there is no concrete framework from beginning to end, other than a very vague idea...King always gave this "I'm just reporting it as it happens" idea of writing...like being along for the ride.
That's a kind of scary comparison to make. The Dark Tower is one of the best examples there is of an author crapping the bed at the end of the series, I'd want him to stay far away from doing anything like King did in all facets.
But Martin is all about history and background, so I'm not that worried about him taking the story as it goes, there are levels of being along for the ride.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:25 am to 19
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And, don't forget, she's out there bleeding...pale mare or indication of renewed fertility? Prolly the latter, but what of the prophecy has she fulfilled (east to go west,etc...Son (of The Sun - Martell) set in the east, ok...)to return to an heir-birthing physicality?
Or did Darrio knock her up?
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."
So Martell getting toasted takes care of the first part, if her blood was a sign of her becoming fertile again that would be another, the Dothraki Sea is drying up at the end of ADWD and could be another part. Not sure what the mountains blowing in the wind lie leaves could be.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:33 am to auyushu
quote:a volcano, dammit.
Not sure what the mountains blowing in the wind lie leaves could be.
the Crow's Eye discovered bubaru on the islands of old Valyria
Posted on 6/14/13 at 11:44 am to manwich
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the Crow's Eye discovered bubaru on the islands of old Valyria
Perhaps he will try and talk Victarion into jumping into the Volcano to appease it.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:52 pm to auyushu
The mountain could be Gregor Clegane. Not sure how he would blow away in the wind though. Unless maybe cremation was somehow involved. (maybe Sandor gets revenge for the childhood burn).
Posted on 6/14/13 at 12:54 pm to Methuselah
possibly but would she be involved in that to fulfill the prophesy. i doubt the foretold events happen without her knowing about them
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:06 pm to manwich
That's a good point. It doesn't seem like Clegane (if that is who Robert Strong is) is likely to head to Slaver's bay. And Danny definitely hasn't been in much of a hurry to get to Westeros. So if it has to impact her directly, it might not be anytime soon. Though if she has to actually give birth to a child that seems like its not in the near future either.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 1:32 pm to auyushu
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Not sure what the mountains blowing in the wind lie leaves could be.
I read a theory on one of the sites that the Meerenese pyramids were crumbling from the dragons breathing fire to warm the stones. I don't really remember the details or the location of the quoted passage.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 2:58 pm to 19
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or she flat out challenges him...would give us an actual example of a dragon used as a weapon or sword
I think this is likely. She's already flat out vowed to frick his world up because of what he and Mago did to Eroeh.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 4:08 pm to Josh Fenderman
Guess we'll see Dany yap and whine once more.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:37 pm to ladytiger118
Here's a question: what would have been an appropriate response by Jon to Ramsay's letter in the eyes of Bowen Marsh and company? (putting aside the question of whether the letter was true).
Just stay there and wait for Bolton to come get him like he threatened?
Put up a fight at the wall when Ramsay showed up?
Give himself up to Ramsay?
Give up Sylese and Melissandre?
Just stay there and wait for Bolton to come get him like he threatened?
Put up a fight at the wall when Ramsay showed up?
Give himself up to Ramsay?
Give up Sylese and Melissandre?
Posted on 6/14/13 at 8:54 pm to Methuselah
I tend to believe that Marsh and Co stabbed Jon more because he let the wildlings through the Wall than the way he reacted to Ramsay's letter. They saw Jon letting them enter the realm as going against everything The Watch stood for, so in their minds they had to do something to preserve the order of things. Also I hate that fat frick Bowen.
Posted on 6/14/13 at 10:19 pm to BobBarker
Posted on 6/15/13 at 9:39 am to BobBarker
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I tend to believe that Marsh and Co stabbed Jon more because he let the wildlings through the Wall than the way he reacted to Ramsay's letter. They saw Jon letting them enter the realm as going against everything The Watch stood for, so in their minds they had to do something to preserve the order of things. Also I hate that fat frick Bowen.
It did seem that Jon's actions with the wildlings were building up a ton of anger and resentment in them. But Marsh actually helped with collecting the treasure from the wildlings and getting them through the wall. Maybe it was just the timing but it seemed to me that his decision to go face Ramsay (and in particular his asking for volunteers from both the NW and the windings) was the straw that broke the camels back. But I could see it end up that it was something pre-planned from his earlier decisions.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 12:04 pm to Methuselah
I was rereading Arya's chapter in Crows, where the kindly old man tells her the history on the faceless Men. They started in the slave mines of Valyria, and they soon brought the gift to the masters. It sounds like they might have been part of the Doom or at least something against the masters of Valyria. Do you think they might try to go after Danny because her connections to Valyria.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:37 pm to ornagestorm
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I was rereading Arya's chapter in Crows, where the kindly old man tells her the history on the faceless Men. They started in the slave mines of Valyria, and they soon brought the gift to the masters. It sounds like they might have been part of the Doom or at least something against the masters of Valyria. Do you think they might try to go after Danny because her connections to Valyria.
I dunno. But that history does kind of fit into my half baked theory (really not even developed enough to be called a theory) that a lot of the major characters we consider "good guys" have an anti-slavery theme in common:
Danny - liberator of slaves
Starks - at least two anti-slavery episodes: one way back in the Wolf's lair (or is it Wolf's Den) in I think White Harbor. The second, Eddard's exiling of Jorah.
Red Priests (ok, so they might be "good guys" per se) - the crowds listening to their high priest were mostly slaves and he was preaching a pro-Danny message.
Now even Tyrion has tasted and lived in slavery.
And as you say, the Faceless men started out trying to minister (if their own way) to slaves in despair.
I can't remember if Varys was a slave at one point but if so, that's another pretty major character who is at least ambiguous.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 2:16 pm to Methuselah
Very interesting. I love the themes and symbolism/motifs used in Game of Thrones. Kind of brings back the high school English class in me , but I like trying to figure out Martin's symbols that he uses a lotttt.
The most obvious being blue roses...Lyanna, Jon, etc. I've really some really interesting threads on the ASOIAF boards. I also enjoy Old Nan's crazy arse stories and some of the other legends of Westeros, i.e. Bael the Bard.
, but I like trying to figure out Martin's symbols that he uses a lotttt. The most obvious being blue roses...Lyanna, Jon, etc. I've really some really interesting threads on the ASOIAF boards. I also enjoy Old Nan's crazy arse stories and some of the other legends of Westeros, i.e. Bael the Bard.
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