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re: Crackpot ASOIAF Theories SPOILERS
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:16 am to Aubie Spr96
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:16 am to Aubie Spr96
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Personally, I think he's done with the entire series and is slow playing the release.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:36 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:He took forever to write the books even before the show was created.
Personally, I think he's done with the entire series and is slow playing the release.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 11:39 am to blueboy
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Personally, I think he's done with the entire series and is slow playing the release.
He took forever to write the books even before the show was created.
exactly. If he was slow playing, then wait a few years in between releases. 1996 is when the first book came out, it's almost 2016 and there are at least two more books needed. Who takes a full generation to finish one set of books?
Posted on 10/29/15 at 12:19 pm to Napoleon
No kidding. The really annoying part is that he keeps writing other, lesser books while he's supposed to be working on the series. I really wouldn't mind it if the books were the only iteration of the story. I have other things to read and do, but I don't want the story to conclude on the show before the books, which it's almost certain to do.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 1:35 pm to Napoleon
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exactly. If he was slow playing, then wait a few years in between releases. 1996 is when the first book came out, it's almost 2016 and there are at least two more books needed. Who takes a full generation to finish one set of books?
he was just waiting for a network to spend millions on nerdy series that will beyond odds connect with the masses. Then he is just going to wait 6 years between books just for the slow burn.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 6:39 pm to blueboy
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The really annoying part is that he keeps writing other, lesser books while he's supposed to be working on the series.
One of the reasons I think he's already done with the series. His publisher would remind him daily of what happened with Tolkien if he hadn't finished already.
Posted on 10/29/15 at 10:35 pm to Napoleon
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Stephen King put out like 100 books between the time GRRM started GOT and now.
Another example is Piers Anthony - that motherfricker can write books faster than I can read them, and I can read pretty fast if I want to.
I mean, he's written as many in the CroMagic - in the 21st Century (in his 70s) as Martin has written full ASOIAF novels ( you know, his "job"?) Anthony has averaged over 1 Xanth novel a year since the mid 70s - and written entire other multi book series since Xanth started.
And, don't get me started on Mercedes Lackey - almost 150 books SINCE NINETEEN EIGHTY SEVEN (1987). 5+ per year.
And yet Winter is Coming - and we continue to wait.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:32 am to Ace Midnight
Don't know if this has already been discussed, but supposedly the impending battle between the northern armies of the Stark and Bolton loyalists "will have real casualties and we’ll be saying goodbye to some characters." Also, "Ramsay Bolton will be displaying at least two bodies upside down on X-crosses, burning during battle. They are known characters." Here is a link to the article: LINK
I'm wondering if Ramsey will have found Rickon and Osha, and will be burning them on the crosses just to screw with Sansa & Jon?
BTW, looks like we will have to wait a little longer for season 6. The earliest it will start is late April.
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I'm wondering if Ramsey will have found Rickon and Osha, and will be burning them on the crosses just to screw with Sansa & Jon?
BTW, looks like we will have to wait a little longer for season 6. The earliest it will start is late April.
LINK
Posted on 10/30/15 at 10:37 am to Bamatab
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BTW, looks like we will have to wait a little longer for season 6. The earliest it will start is late April.
If it's simply a timing issue around other HBO shows, I'll be annoyed by this. But I'm wondering if it maybe has to do with potential book release timing so as not to spoil anything (fingers crossed). I guess it's possible filming ran over and they need the additional time for editing as well.
I know HBO has some new shows coming out that'll be extended into that time, but they could always move their schedule around to accommodate GoT. So scheduling alone doesn't make a lot of sense.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 12:43 pm to Bamatab
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I'm wondering if Ramsey will have found Rickon and Osha
Sansa and Theon?
Brienne and Stannis (although pretty sure the latter is dead, the corpse could be burned) - Brienne wouldn't mean much to Jon, though?
Are they going to revisit Mance Rayder/Lord of the Bones?
There are lots of possibilities based on what changes there have been between the 2 diverging storylines, and what happened in the books and hasn't been covered yet in the show.
But, Osha and Rickon are possibilities - Davos is still alive, but they've omitted White Harbor and that whole storyline thus far.
I'm trying to figure out how they're going to truly kick off the Great Northern Conspiracy. I mean, they can have them rally around real Sansa (as opposed to faux Arya) in the show - but where does that leave the Davos/Skagos/Osha/Rickon storyline?
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:17 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm trying to figure out how they're going to truly kick off the Great Northern Conspiracy. I mean, they can have them rally around real Sansa (as opposed to faux Arya) in the show - but where does that leave the Davos/Skagos/Osha/Rickon storyline?
I had figured since Rickon and Osha went to Last Hearth on the show, that the Umbers would be the focal point of the Great Northern Conspiracy on the show.
But there is another rumor out there that the Umbers will side with the Bolton's on the show. I didn't take much thought of that rumor, since on the show Greatjon isn't a prisoner of the Boltons. But now I'm starting to wonder if Ramsey or Roose will reveal that they have Greatjon imprisoned, and force the Umbers to swap Rickon & Osha for Greatjon. Maybe once Greatjon is freed, then they take up arms to try and get Rickon back which leads to the Great Northern Conspiracy.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 1:22 pm to Bamatab
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But there is another rumor out there that the Umbers will side with the Bolton's on the show. I didn't take much thought of that rumor, since on the show Greatjon isn't a prisoner of the Boltons.
And the Umbers are, at least publicly, split in the books.
Your scenario would be akin co-opting the Manderly story onto the Umbers (whom we already know in the show), rather than having to introduce yet another house (Manderly) or city (White Harbor) on the show.
How would Davos fit in, if at all, you think? Maybe the Umbers slip him in there to keep an eye on them? Or Osha, Rickon and Davos are imprisoned together?
Obviously, just spitballing - without the books, we don't even know how Davos to Skagos (I like the poetry of it
Posted on 10/30/15 at 2:02 pm to Ace Midnight
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How would Davos fit in, if at all, you think? Maybe the Umbers slip him in there to keep an eye on them? Or Osha, Rickon and Davos are imprisoned together?
Obviously, just spitballing - without the books, we don't even know how Davos to Skagos (I like the poetry of it ) adventure turns out.
I don't have a clue as to what Davos' role will be on the show. I figured since Rickon went to Last Hearth instead of Skagos, that the show wouldn't even bring up Skagos. So maybe Jon hears word that Rickon was at Last Heart, and sends Davos (and maybe someone else like Edd or Tormund) to investigate it. Then Davos helps stir up the Great Northern Conspiracy with the Umbers. Or maybe Davos (and either Edd or Tormund) is captured by Ramsey on his was to investigate Rickon being at Last Hearth. I'm just spitballing at this point.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 10/30/15 at 2:10 pm to Bamatab
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I don't have a clue as to what Davos' role will be on the show.
Yeah - I don't either - with Stannis almost certainly dead, there is no one to direct him. I doubt he listens to Melisandre, even if she sees Rickon and Osha in a vision - maybe Melisandre convinces Jon to direct him, but - as far as the show, with Stannis and the Princess dead, absent a strong, strong motivation, I think Davos heads home - best way he can. He doesn't owe fealty to Jon and DGAF about the North outside of his duty to Stannis. He's doing it in the books because he wants the North to support Stannis.
Two characters who are "known" - Who could that be? Excluding Bran and the Reeds (and Coldhands isn't in the show), who else is in the North and assuming Ramsey is opposite Jon at the head of some Northern army (and this means we don't need a Stark heir, as in the books - at least not at the point we think this all turns south in the show, right?)
Osha, Rickon, Davos, Brienne, Podrick, Theon, Sansa... almost has to be 2 of those - and there are 3 sets of pairs in that group.
I'm thinking Brienne and Podrick, because without LSH and Kingslayer being captured at Riverrun - Brienne's story kind of ends - unless she and Podrick try to escort Sansa and Theon to safety - which would be Jon at this point, I would think.
ETA: But that makes little sense as they would mean nothing to Jon - however, either sibling (and Theon was practically a brother to him) and the sibling's companion/guardian might do it.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 10/30/15 at 3:00 pm to Ace Midnight
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I'm thinking Brienne and Podrick, because without LSH and Kingslayer being captured at Riverrun - Brienne's story kind of ends - unless she and Podrick try to escort Sansa and Theon to safety - which would be Jon at this point, I would think.
Jamie is definitely going to end up in Riverrun laying siege to root out the Blackfish (I believe that has already been confirmed.) I believe that Brienne & Podrick will end up there by the end of the season.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 3:13 pm to Bamatab
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I believe that Brienne & Podrick will end up there by the end of the season.
The more I thought about it, the less it makes sense - I was just inventorying those we know are in the North - even if it was Theon and Asha/Yara - Jon wouldn't GAF - but either Sansa or Rickon would definitely get his attention.
2 "known" characters - yeah, Rickon and Osha or Sansa and Theon on the crosses, it would seem - or at least those are the most likely.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 3:49 pm to Ace Midnight
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2 "known" characters - yeah, Rickon and Osha or Sansa and Theon on the crosses, it would seem - or at least those are the most likely.
And since Sansa has been seen shooting battlefield scenes with Jon, that is why I'm thinking that we will get either barbecued Rickon and Osha, or Barbecued Rickon and Shaggydog.
I've always thought that Rickon would end up being either Warden of the North or King of the North by the end of the story. But this seems to shoot that prediction out of the water.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/30/15 at 4:10 pm to Bamatab
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And since Sansa has been seen shooting battlefield scenes with Jon, that is why I'm thinking that we will get either barbecued Rickon and Osha
We've already seen this play out once before, though - in the books and on the show (peasant kids instead of Bran and Rickon).
Without Theon, Ramsey has no way of knowing who the real Rickon and Osha are - maybe the Umbers trade some fakes (a nod to Fake Arya in the books) perhaps even some Freys - for Greatjon, then join the uprising. But, then Roose and Ramsey think they have the real things?
Again, just spitballing - I mean, the fat man has killed lots of popular characters, but if he's just going to kill everyone in the end, that seems to be a sort of literary anarchy that belies all this effort.
This post was edited on 10/30/15 at 11:17 pm
Posted on 10/30/15 at 6:24 pm to Ace Midnight
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He doesn't owe fealty to Jon and DGAF about the North outside of his duty to Stannis. He's doing it in the books because he wants the North to support Stannis.
At the same time, he's had some warm candor with Jon on the show and even notes that Stannis obviously has some respect for Jon to a degree. If Jon rises and is prepared to take on the Boltons, with the Boltons taking down Stannis, I could see Davos ending up with Jon.
Posted on 10/30/15 at 6:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
Could it be the Blackfish and Edmure?
What if Ramsay really goes all out and flays Roose and Walda?
What if Ramsay really goes all out and flays Roose and Walda?
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