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Planning a trip to Italy - help/advice

Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:38 pm
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:38 pm
Wife and I are planning an 8-10 day Italy trip. We have a travel agent we are working with, but I am slightly hesitant that the agent is only going to recommend us on trips that give her a good kickback. I don’t know if that concern is valid or not, it could just be the natural skeptic in me.

We have been recommended a few different touring companies by the travel agent, and we like the idea of a guided multi-city tour, as it takes out the headache of planning on our own & the hassle of foreign country travel. The ones we are looking at mainly hit Florence/Venice/Rome, a couple days in each with a few day stops on the way from location to location depending on the different tour.

Should we be looking at other ideas? If so, what? This is a big trip for us. I’ve never been outside of North America. We have been saving for this trip awhile and want to make this trip this year and then think about starting our family. I just want to make sure there isn’t anything we are overlooking, and would like to get thoughts and comments from the more experienced travelers on the board.
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161244 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:43 pm to
European trip destinations

That website you can book flight, hotels, travel, + experiences everything a travel agent can do and probably for cheaper. LINK
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
26537 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 5:50 pm to
Honestly, if you have the time and interest, planning the trip yourself and exploring on your own will be immensely better than following a travel agents itinerary (in my opinion).

Part of the fun of exploring a new place is staying in Airbnb’s or boutique places, picking the things that you truly want to do and see, and yes even getting lost.

I realize I’ll be downvoted bigly for this, but Florence and Rome were two of my least favorite stops by far. Haven’t been to Venice, but it’s sadly got a reputation for being a cruise ship destination at this point.
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 6:03 pm
Posted by WuShock
Metairie
Member since Aug 2018
1313 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 7:18 pm to
My wife and I are leaving on Friday for Florence and Venice. We are doing a couple of tours within the cities, but we mostly just picked and chose what sounded fun to us while leaving enough free time to explore anything else we think looks fun while we’re there.

We’re in the same situation as you and your wife, our last big trip before we start thinking about kids. I can definitely give you some feedback once I’m back if you’d like!
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35479 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 7:40 pm to
What Abitafan said.

It’s so easy to do yourself and it’s tailored to your wants and your downtime.
Posted by AUFANATL
Member since Dec 2007
3853 posts
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:17 pm to

Some people like guided tours and others hate them. They have benefits and drawbacks. What I usually do is plan the trip on my own but leave a few days open for guided day tours.

You can definitely plan an Italy trip by yourself. The cities are walkable and well connected by trains. There's an abundance of information online providing information about the most popular tourist sites, nice hotels, great restaurants, etc.

Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7154 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 6:55 am to
Try Trip Masters And Plan It Yourself!

Part of the fun. BUT, if you're not an experienced traveler, a little concerned about what to do, I wouldn't dismiss a travel agent. Depends on who they are and what they specialize in. Ask some questions. Like "have you been to..[x]? Stayed there?" Some get comped travel by hotels, cruise lines etc., so that much is true, but it isn't bad either. Gives them some first hand experiences.

Good luck and keep us posted. This board is full of people that have been there so look for some of the other threads on the topic.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
7506 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 8:51 am to
Just figure out what cities you want to travel to, book your flight to and from, trains in between cities, and do VRBO or AirBnB for your rooms. We did this a couple years ago and it was fantastic and pretty cheap if you can get a good deal on flights.

You can book walking or riding tours with different tour group companies. We did the Vatican tour, Catacombs and Crypts tour, and a cooking class in Rome. We did an art and architecture tour through Florence.

We loved staying in actual residential areas instead of in a small hotel room. In all the places we stayed, it was a small one bed apartment with a little living area and kitchen, and our hosts were extremely nice and helpful to tell us where some good local restaurants and shops were and the best way to get around the city from there. We actually went grocery shopping at a local market and cooked our dinner or breakfast several times. Breakfast I would recommend doing yourself because Italians aren't big on breakfast other than a small cup of coffee and a pastry.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 8:59 am
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 8:58 am to
This is a fantastic site! Definitely going to consider doing this on our own. We were looking at tours that, for the same timeframe, would have come to around $7,000. I quickly used the Trip Master site and the total comes to around $2,800. Now granted, the tour includes some meals and some guided tours, which we would still want to book on our own. But that’s incredible savings and gives us the flexibility to go where we want, when we want, and do what we want to do
Posted by Tigerfan56
Member since May 2010
10520 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:06 am to
quote:

We’re in the same situation as you and your wife, our last big trip before we start thinking about kids. I can definitely give you some feedback once I’m back if you’d like!


Would definitely like to hear your thoughts and about your experience when you get back. Have a good trip
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:19 am to
quote:

e were looking at tours that, for the same timeframe, would have come to around $7,000. I quickly used the Trip Master site and the total comes to around $2,800. Now granted, the tour includes some meals and some guided tours, which we would still want to book on our own. But that’s incredible savings and gives us the flexibility to go where we want, when we want, and do what we want to do



Flexibility is the joy of independent travel. I'm a longtime repeat visitor to Italy, and I'll be back there in 46 days. It is a very tourist friendly country, so you're not exactly visiting the outer reaches of the solar system.

Train travel within Italy, which is how you will get between cities, is pretty easy: frequent service between major cities. You can purchase train tickets at automated machines in most train stations, complete with instructions in English. Here's a nice illustrated guide to using the ticket machine, which will accept your US credit card: LINK

A few independent traveler tips for you to consider:
--budget for your international cell phone service; my provider charges $10/day for Euro activation. You will want to use your phone--and perhaps your spouse will want to as well, should you go off on your own. Yes, you can find cheaper ways (buy a local sim card to put into an unlocked phone, etc), but I'm lazy & just turn it on and pay the $10/day fee. Google Maps is the single best reason to turn on your phone.
--Google Maps is a traveler's best friend. As you do your research, create a "your places" saved map for the trip, dropping pins and making notes. This map can be shared, and the lovely Google "blue dot" will keep you from ever being lost. Adding lots of restaurants/cafes/attractions means that you can easily find a recommended place to eat or thing to do that's close to wherever you are. Think of it as a serendipity-enhancer: instead of micro planning your days, you're layering many, many options onto the map & will allow your feet & whims to take you through the day---yet won't be completely unprepared to find lunch/dinner/aperitivo as needed.
--don't overpack. Especially if you plan to travel between cities via train, you want to have luggage you can comfortably handle without assistance. Maybe it's a backpack and a roller, maybe it's a wheeled duffel and a tote....but huge suitcases are a nightmare. Remember that every place has laundromats, and some AirBnBs will have washer/dryers. Plan to do some laundry at the midpoint of your trip, whether in a machine or in a sink. If one of you is a chronic overpacker, work hard to create a capsule wardrobe that is mix&match.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7154 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 9:59 am to
It is an amazing site. Just make sure you're comparing "apples to apples". The same dates. The same types of airfare tickets. The same levels of hotel accommodations. The same ground transportation options. You alluded to it but don't forget the incidentals like meals, souvenirs etc.

But my experience has been it's a very cost-effective way to plan a trip and very useful.
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35479 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 10:36 am to
I'll echo what hungryone said about packing. We only take a carry-on when we travel now. It makes those travel days during the trip so much easier to deal with.
Posted by litenin
Houston
Member since Mar 2016
2347 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:03 am to
We did three days each in Rome-Florence-Venice with planned half-days tours each day. This still left the other half of the day for doing whatever we wanted.

It worked well for us and the agent we used made everything run smoothly.
Posted by SUG
Member since Nov 2015
486 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:23 am to
we used Gate 1 around 7 years ago they were great, guided tour but did have a good amount of free time, not just old folks either
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 11:40 am to
Suggested multi city tour for a first time visitor to Italy:
--fly to Rome; stay in an AirBnB in Trastevere. You can take the train from the airport to the Trastevere station, and then walk to your lodgings.
--stay 3-4 days in Rome, depending on your interest level, energy, and jet lag. (What to do in Rome is an entirely separate thread.)
--take the H bus from Trastevere to Termini train station: do a Google map search with those two end points, then click on the little train symbol--you'll get the suggested bus routes, complete with next scheduled departure. It will cost 3 euros to get to Termini station (buy a bus ticket at any tobacco shop, look for the T sign. Ask for "Due bigiletti, per favore" and you'll get two tickets. A quick "grazie" and out the door...
--at Termini, buy tickets to Florence (Santa Maria Novella station) from a machine. Go drink an espresso while waiting for your train.
--Get an AirBnB in Florence, somewhere in the city center. A private flat will run $50-$100/night in that area. Spend the money you save vs a hotel by dining extra well. Here's an example of what $80/night will get in Florence, complete with washer: LINK
--Stay 3-4 days in Florence (again, whole separate discussion of what to see/do while there), then drag yourself back to SMN train station and head back south to Orvieto...
--Spend a night in Orvieto, which is a hilltop Etruscan town with an interesting cathedral, fantastic local wine, etc. You'll take a funicular from the train station up to the town proper; enjoy the view...drink Orvieto classico wine, walk the perimeter walls at sunset. It's a town, not a city, in the heart of Tuscany. If you prefer towns to cities, maybe consider staying longer there and visiting nearby vineyards.
--Head back to Rome for two nights to catch anything you missed; take the train from Trastevere station back to the airport.

You don't need a car, you don't need a travel agent, you don't need Uber. You just need two working feet, a bag that's not too heavy, and a credit card.

If any of this seems appealing, buy a Rick Steves guide to Italy and check out his online discussion forums. Steves is not the best on dining recs, but his practical advice is usually spot on.
Posted by Toula
504
Member since Dec 2006
35399 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:11 pm to
This was our AirBNB in Florence. For $100/night, it was unbelievable.

LINK
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
11987 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:22 pm to
Wow--what a lovely location & view. I like having a kitchen, as I get tired of eating out day after day. Especially in Italy, it's nice to go to a beautiful food market like Florence's Mercato Centrale and shop, then make a simple meal. Also nice to eat a softboiled egg and drink coffee in your pajamas, rather than having to get dressed and go out for breakfast.
Posted by Nole Man
Somewhere In Tennessee!
Member since May 2011
7154 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:41 pm to
That's a great place!

We really enjoyed this place.

Very convenient. Full kitchen. Lovely terrace view of the city. Right on the Arno River.
This post was edited on 1/6/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35479 posts
Posted on 1/6/20 at 12:59 pm to
I love Florence. Hell, I love pretty much everywhere that is Italy. Next trip we will either agritourismo or AirBnB every stay.

We're going to Spain in May and only 3 nights our of 15 are in hotels and those are only because I have points to cover the nights.
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