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Japan help requested

Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:43 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15675 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:43 pm
Wife and I in late 30’s with no kids in tow. Bucket list trip for the wife and I need help on the following…

1. A few things to do in Kyoto and a few things to do in Tokyo.

2. Best area to stay in Kyoto and Tokyo at Marriott properties only.

Additional notes…trip is scheduled for a few weeks in early April of this year. No help needed on restaurants. We are able bodied and enjoy outdoor activities. Not scared of museums or day tours. I love history.

Wife has asked me for a few things I’d like to do and haven’t done much research since this is her trip. I typically set the itinerary for our trips but taking a back seat on this one. I essentially have 1-2 days to plan activities in Kyoto and Tokyo.

TIA
Posted by luvdatigahs
Alameda, CA
Member since Sep 2008
3011 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:49 pm to
Kyoto is chock full of temples and shrines, can’t go a few feet without seeing one. April will be cherry blossom season, it will be packed and expensive. Better get hotels and things booked far ahead of time
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15675 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 9:53 pm to
Correct. We planned it for the Cherry Blossoms. Hoping we catch it.
Posted by Larry_Hotdogs
Texas
Member since Jun 2019
1332 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:02 pm to
We went 12 years or so ago and had a similar trip.
- Stayed in Ginza
- Tsukiji fish market was pretty awesome, great food
- Found a Shabu shabu beef restaurant
- Saw Akihabara
- Bullet train to Kyoto
- stayed in a traditional ryokan
- visited the UNESCO temple and the palace

Awesome trip. Great food. Very welcoming people. Super easy to get around
Posted by speckledawg
Somewhere Salty
Member since Nov 2016
3914 posts
Posted on 1/20/23 at 11:34 pm to
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Tsukiji fish market was pretty awesome, great food


Highlight of my couple stays in Tokyo, but sadly is no more.
Posted by St. Pete Tiger
"Shaqapulco"
Member since Feb 2005
2385 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 5:18 am to
You will have a blast.

I am lucky enough to work for a company with a presence in Japan and am actually flying over again next week. Will be in Tokyo, Osaka, and few days in the Japanese Alps to ski after work is over(yes, very lucky i know)

Short version is Tokyo and Kyoto are like Paris or any other great city; you really can't go wrong.

Just get a Marriott property as close to the temples in Tokyo and ditto for Kyoto.

the public transpiration is exceptional and google maps works flawless. You will get anywhere for the day in < 30 minutes. Add Pasmo or Suica to your iPhone as transportation card.

As for what to do, wonder. Like Paris both cities are amazing just to wonder, eat, explore, etc...

Do have a general idea of the area to hit; Temples and shopping areas and yes, even for non-shopping folks like me; shopping is a blast.

Make sure to hit in Don Quijote store (pretty common) as it is a mix of dollar store, walmart, and "other" all with Japanese twist. great place to pick up random stuff for folks back home

Don't worry about food, just hit up Google and ensure > 4 stars and it will be one of the best meals you have had.

One thing i would recommend, you can get around using only English but do use your language app of choice to pickup a few common phases. Like anywhere, this goes a long way.

Also, politics aside they are still mask heavy...even pre-covid, so just lean into the culture and smile.

Ganbatte tanoshinde ne
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12344 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 7:58 am to
I'll be there for 3 days in mid/late April, getting off a ship and wanted a little time in Japan which I've never seen (too little but can't be helped). After looking into it a bit I booked a hotel with a good rating next to Tokyo Station. It makes sense to me because I'd like to take the bullet train to Kyoto on one day, and it also positions me for the train to Narita to leave, as well as other possible excursions involving rail. And the Imperial Palace is a short walk from my hotel and I'd like to at least walk the gardens. And train stations and nearby usually have a LOT of food options.
Posted by SpartyGator
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 1:49 pm to
Kyoto has all sorts of temples and gardens. Kinkaku-Ji is always a neat one, but you can find so many there. Also, you aren't far from Osaka via JR line, so there may be some stuff there for properties as well.

As for Tokyo - to keep on theme of Gardens I always love Hamarikyu-Garden, in Minato-Ku. Being a tech nerd, Akhibara and Yodobashi Dept store was cool. Shinjuku and Shibuya are fun at night just to see things lit up. Same for Odaiba Island.

I love Japan and can't wait to go back
Posted by SpartyGator
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 1:50 pm to
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And train stations and nearby usually have a LOT of food options.



Yeah, the local subways lines usually have a good number of small places to grab a bite and have a 3d menu showing the food items a lot
Posted by Odinson
Asgard
Member since Apr 2014
2749 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 2:34 pm to
Went back 4 yrs ago. Between Tokyo, Osaka and Kyoto we was able to score 4 Habiki 21 and a 30 to bring back to the States. Did Taste testing at the Suntory distillery but none available to purchase there. It was just a personal scavenger hunt lol.

Tokyo’s new fish market is super lame compared to the old one. Kobe beef in Kobe was a bucket list novelty, Bamboo forest is overrated, Fushimi shrine was cool, Nara deer park was just ok for a one time experience.

The main thing about Japan is the awesome food and culture of great people and cleanliness. You’ll have a blast!
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4225 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 2:42 pm to
I honeymooned in Japan and it is my favorite country I’ve ever visited. The floor in Japan is just so high in terms of food, cleanliness, and service. A basic holiday inn, and standard cab, and a grab and go meal from a convenience store in Japan are all outstanding.

A few specific thoughts:

1. Stay at a Ryokan at least once, ideally one attached to a true hot spring rather than just municipal water. These are traditional bed and breakfasts. They are a bit confusing, you’ll sleep on the floor in your room, have a meal that goes on way to long, but it’s a real experience.

2. Kyoto is maybe the best walking city in the world. I was a little nervous about planning to just visit shrines, thinking it might be like a tour of cathedrals in Europe that all look the same and are an exercise in waiting in lines. But I thoroughly enjoyed 4 full days in Kyoto. Yes the temples get crowded, but they are all open air and bright and it’s just like one long walk through a park going from one to another. You can’t do them all so just plan to spend the day in a quadrant of the city and walk to the sites in that quadrant. A few highlight for us:

The Fushimi Inari shrine is really cool and spooky to visit at night. Bring a headlamp and just start hiking up. Be mindful of wild pigs.

The moss garden was great but requires reservations. Stay in a nice hotel when you arrive in Tokyo and use its concierge to make the arrangements. In general, use the concierge to help with restaurants and travel tips.

The Bambo forest was underwhelming, I would pass unless you just have lots of time.

3. You can cheaply ship luggage around Japan. So if you want to do an outdoor excursion like a bike trip and hike mt fuji just bring an overnight bag and ship everything else to your next hotel.

4. Hiking mt fuji was well worth it to me. You can reserve an overnight spot in a hut and finish the hike for sunrise.

5. It’s further afield, but we biked the shimanami kaido bike trail across the seto insland sea and it’s maybe my favorite travel experience. Would recommend. And if you do that stay in matsuyama and see the castle and go to the dogo onsen. You can take a speed boat ferry back from matsuyama to Hiroshima, or explore Shikoku island which is awesome.

5. Himeji Castle is a quick train ride from Kyoto and well worth a day trip from Kyoto.
Posted by Tigris
Mexican Home
Member since Jul 2005
12344 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 4:49 pm to
quote:

Kyoto is maybe the best walking city in the world.

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just plan to spend the day in a quadrant of the city and walk to the sites in that quadrant.


Which quadrant would you pick? Because I'm going to have one day, while riding the bullet train from and to Tokyo. But I'll have most of the day as I'm planning to be on the first train from Tokyo and catching the return after dark.

Posted by BootheelSoldier
MO Bootheel
Member since Oct 2017
317 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 4:59 pm to
Looking at a similar trip. Curious if you had any specific restaurants picked out already or playing it on the fly
Posted by tccdc
Washington, DC
Member since Sep 2007
3568 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 5:20 pm to
Just got back last week from a work trip..

Couple things - if you do not have your vaccine + booster, you have to show negative test within 72 hours of travel

Register ahead of time Visit Japan web, makes getting out of the airport very quick.

It was very busy due to all the Chinese they were pulling aside for further test, so be aware.

Tokyo - I have stayed at the Westin and it is about 15 minute walk downhill to subway station. Also, plenty of restaurants, convenience stores, etc around. It is in a more quiet area of Tokyo. Usually pretty reasonable.

Also, stayed at The Prince Gallery which was very nice, but did not think it was worth the price difference.

Not Marriott, but I usually stay at the ANA Intercontinental in Akasaka which is convenient and still quiet. And I am team Marriott.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4225 posts
Posted on 1/21/23 at 11:07 pm to
Hard to say. I would do a little research on the temples and see which one you want to see the most, and there will almost certainly be a half dozen other unesco sites in walking distance.

My recollection is I really liked the ninna-ji and ryoan-ji temples in the northwest side. The golden shrine is near there as well, although to be honest that was one I would skip with only one day. It’s the most famous Kyoto post card, but the least enjoyable visit of the main temple sites.

The east and south east and including the philosophers path has a never of temples as well. I also really liked the sanjusangendo shrine which has thousands of statues in a great hall.

Kyoto is just wonderful. And is definitely a place where a fodor’s or other good travel book is worth it to make the most of your time and plan out your day.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 11:09 pm
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15675 posts
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:43 pm to
Thanks everyone.

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ned nederlander


In between Tokyo and Kyoto stays, we have reserved two nights in a traditional Ryokan in Hakone. I’ve been told that trying to hike Mt. Fuji in early April is very difficult due to the snow. There is a cable car we can take for a good view if its not cloudy, which we expect it will be.

Good tip on the luggage. My wife is insisting we don’t check bags during our 16 day stay. Which generally wouldn’t be a problem but since I have clients to see, I have to pack business attire.

I’ll research your other notes. Great info.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15675 posts
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

Looking at a similar trip. Curious if you had any specific restaurants picked out already or playing it on the fly


I’ll have to check with my wife. She is planning most of the dinners other than the ones with clients in which they will reserve. My wife is Asian and this trip was built around her stomach.
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15675 posts
Posted on 1/22/23 at 3:46 pm to
We booked Mesm for 3 nights in Tokyo in the beginning of the trip and Courtyard Tokyo Station for 4 nights on the back end. I wanted to be close to the station as the back end of trips will have a few business meetings.

The Chapter Kyoto for our stay in Kyoto.
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
4225 posts
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:18 pm to
The luggage shipping was awesome for our trip. We left our hotel in Tokyo with our cold weather gear and over night back to hike mt fuji and shipped everything else to our hotel on Kyoto. Our bags were in our room when we checked in.

We then continued south to do the shimanami kaido bike trail and put all our cold weather gear into a suitcase and shipped it back to our last hotel. They kept it for us for 10 days and had it in our hotel room when we checked in. Just an awesome service and all done through the hotel front desk.

Early April must be cherry blossom season and I think most crowded time in Kyoto. We did our trip first two weeks of September so avoided some of the real cherry blossom tourism madness.

Knowing what I know now I really wouldn’t get caught up in huge tourist lines. The country is so beautiful go off the beaten path. We didn’t go to Nara but from what I recall it likely offers a lot of what Kyoto does but perhaps with less crowds?

The other tip is there is a pocket wifi you can order, pick up in the airport and drop back off in the airport. With that plus google maps on the phone we were never lost. It was really helpful to just be able to plug something in on google maps and be told really clearly which subway train to take, which platforms to change on, etc.
Posted by tccdc
Washington, DC
Member since Sep 2007
3568 posts
Posted on 1/22/23 at 5:21 pm to
LINK

Have enjoyed dinner here...I am a sashimi fan, and like beer...

LINK

Have your hotel make a reservation...

and lastly, Tachinomi bars are my favorite...i usually just ask the concierge to make reservcations somewhere...nothing fancy..sometimes you stand up and eat and drink...but never bad
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