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Airline service is gonna be down significantly for a while
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 9:11 pm
Many routes will disappear, and some smaller airlines may fold. Neeleman's next experiment will be shelved, if not off the drawing board completely.
I think most point to point (non hub) international flying gets axed. I also think one-maybe two smaller hubs lose their status as hubs. Boeing will get bailed, otherwise they'd have consolidate with some defense/weapons builders to keep workers. Airbus sees it's first production setback in years.
So what hubs and airlines bite the dust? Which routes go away? Which ones will return?
KLM and likely Qantas retire the 747. Sad times for aviation, but this is the very nature of the business.
I think most point to point (non hub) international flying gets axed. I also think one-maybe two smaller hubs lose their status as hubs. Boeing will get bailed, otherwise they'd have consolidate with some defense/weapons builders to keep workers. Airbus sees it's first production setback in years.
So what hubs and airlines bite the dust? Which routes go away? Which ones will return?
KLM and likely Qantas retire the 747. Sad times for aviation, but this is the very nature of the business.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:06 pm to Reservoir dawg
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So what hubs and airlines bite the dust? Which routes go away? Which ones will return?
No hubs or airlines go away. Maybe some mergers?
I would say more of the regional routes go away?
Too soon to say.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 10:28 pm to Reservoir dawg
It's a sad sight to see, absolutely hate it . The only good news is we'll see cheap airfare for a long time to come given recent oil prices and corona effects. I know personally I'll avoid out of the US travel for a year if I can.
For all airlines, we're going to see major flight reductions in plane types and routes. Example would be that delta had an hourly flight from new orleans to atlanta from 6am until about 7pm. I'd guess that goes to one every few hours once things pick up, but until then expect mass cancellations.
For Delta, I think Austin, Raleigh, and Cincinatti bite the bullet on some of the point to point routes that delta was flying. I think in the april schedule someone over on flyertalk had posted that
"Raleigh-CVG/BWI/ORD/PHL/AUS/JAX/BNA/IND/CLE/SEA/EWR are now all gone for the month of April (new schedule starts the 2nd). Remaining flights are BOS,JFK,LGA,DCA,MCO,TPA,FLL,ATL,DTW,MSP,SLC,and LAX
Cincy is losing BWI,MCI,STL,AUS,IAH,CLT,SEA,SFO,LAS,RDU,BDL,YYZ, and PHL, JFK for April. CVG will have similar flights as RDU in April, but also have DEN, DFW, and RSW."
For American, not sure how their boston ops are going but some of those boston-rochester ny,Pittsburgh, or Harrisburg may go away. They also have a lot of overlapping hubs/focus cities with Philly, DC, Charlotte, and somewhat NYC.
For united, guessing all their major hubs will be fine. They're spread out quite well across the country and don't see much overlap besides newark and dulles.
For jetblue, a lot of their florida flying will probably die down as a result of this. They are very good on ny state to florida and this will hit them hard
For all airlines, we're going to see major flight reductions in plane types and routes. Example would be that delta had an hourly flight from new orleans to atlanta from 6am until about 7pm. I'd guess that goes to one every few hours once things pick up, but until then expect mass cancellations.
For Delta, I think Austin, Raleigh, and Cincinatti bite the bullet on some of the point to point routes that delta was flying. I think in the april schedule someone over on flyertalk had posted that
"Raleigh-CVG/BWI/ORD/PHL/AUS/JAX/BNA/IND/CLE/SEA/EWR are now all gone for the month of April (new schedule starts the 2nd). Remaining flights are BOS,JFK,LGA,DCA,MCO,TPA,FLL,ATL,DTW,MSP,SLC,and LAX
Cincy is losing BWI,MCI,STL,AUS,IAH,CLT,SEA,SFO,LAS,RDU,BDL,YYZ, and PHL, JFK for April. CVG will have similar flights as RDU in April, but also have DEN, DFW, and RSW."
For American, not sure how their boston ops are going but some of those boston-rochester ny,Pittsburgh, or Harrisburg may go away. They also have a lot of overlapping hubs/focus cities with Philly, DC, Charlotte, and somewhat NYC.
For united, guessing all their major hubs will be fine. They're spread out quite well across the country and don't see much overlap besides newark and dulles.
For jetblue, a lot of their florida flying will probably die down as a result of this. They are very good on ny state to florida and this will hit them hard
Posted on 3/29/20 at 11:21 pm to Paul Allen
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No hubs or airlines go away. Maybe some mergers
A single merger means one airline disappears.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 12:35 am to CuseTiger
If I had to guess-
Delta draws down SEA and BOS expansion, while RDU-CDG, SLC-AMS likely get axed. ATL remains strong but trans Atlantic is scaled back for a while. MSP shrinks as a hub. DTW remains primary Asian connection hub. RDU shrinks but will be restored over time. CVG may not. SLC has been DL since the 1987 merger with Western, so it maintains.
SFO and United really take it on the chin in trans Pacific capacity, while several domestic routes are cut. IAH loses Air China, and Ethiopian. United mainline shrinks while UniEx grows. DEN and EWR remain important but the latter takes a hit. IAD?
Frontier, Jetblue, Allegiant and Spirit eventually become two companies. A couple of hubs and focus cities close.
PHX gets even smaller for AA as planned. ORD is drawn down more, as well as JFK. DFW losses Asian and Euro routes that haven't had time to mature. CLT remains the dominant east coast hub for AA.
ORD, overall will get hit hard, I believe.
LAX is safe for all domestics.
MSY-LHR on BA losses frequency but might survive. I don't know about BNA. AUS sticks.
I imagine Southwest will cut a lot of domestic frequencies and routes.
Delta draws down SEA and BOS expansion, while RDU-CDG, SLC-AMS likely get axed. ATL remains strong but trans Atlantic is scaled back for a while. MSP shrinks as a hub. DTW remains primary Asian connection hub. RDU shrinks but will be restored over time. CVG may not. SLC has been DL since the 1987 merger with Western, so it maintains.
SFO and United really take it on the chin in trans Pacific capacity, while several domestic routes are cut. IAH loses Air China, and Ethiopian. United mainline shrinks while UniEx grows. DEN and EWR remain important but the latter takes a hit. IAD?
Frontier, Jetblue, Allegiant and Spirit eventually become two companies. A couple of hubs and focus cities close.
PHX gets even smaller for AA as planned. ORD is drawn down more, as well as JFK. DFW losses Asian and Euro routes that haven't had time to mature. CLT remains the dominant east coast hub for AA.
ORD, overall will get hit hard, I believe.
LAX is safe for all domestics.
MSY-LHR on BA losses frequency but might survive. I don't know about BNA. AUS sticks.
I imagine Southwest will cut a lot of domestic frequencies and routes.
Posted on 3/30/20 at 3:55 pm to CuseTiger
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I know personally I'll avoid out of the US travel for a year if I can.
Might be a dumb question, but why?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:05 pm to lovethetigers7
I've got no reason to, just personal preference. Don't want to risk potentially getting stuck somewhere out of the country, theres enough cheap deals here in the us, and a lot of places in the us i haven't seen yet. Why fly for 12 hours when I can go 3 hours and see someplace new like montana, maine, utah, south carolina?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:47 pm to CuseTiger
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CuseTiger
Weren’t you contemplating a move to the west coast?
Posted on 3/30/20 at 4:54 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Still am . Roadtripping out there in little over a month
Posted on 3/30/20 at 10:17 pm to Reservoir dawg
I have profound sadness
Posted on 3/31/20 at 12:42 pm to Jrv2damac
The only reason I smaller routes and direct flights on budget carriers going away is bankruptcy. Otherwise, people are going to prefer the cheaper direct routes for awhile over flying a major through a huge hub.
Who's gonna want to fly through Ohare, DFW, or the other major hubs right now?
Who's gonna want to fly through Ohare, DFW, or the other major hubs right now?
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:28 pm to Reservoir dawg
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