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re: Xbox One Windows 10 streaming *Update*
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:11 am to ILikeLSUToo
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:11 am to ILikeLSUToo
quote:
HP stream's SSD
Does eMMC work that much better than HDD? If it is the hard drive, would upgrading to a SSD fix the problem?
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:14 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:25 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
In theory it would, if that's the problem. The HP Stream's eMMC is not exactly SSD-level performance for sure, but it would certainly outperform an old 5400-rpm mobile HDD, emphasis on the old. But I have absolutely no idea if that's the problem, just throwing out possibilities that can be checked. I'd put it low on the list of possibilities.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:27 am to ILikeLSUToo
alright. I'll go home and check the usage and performance. Is there a website that explains what I should be looking for?
Should I use something like MSI Afterburner?
Should I use something like MSI Afterburner?
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:30 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:47 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
Task Manager/Resource Monitor in Windows should tell you a lot already in the performance tab.
CPU usage... if it's hitting 90-100% utilization, that may be a problem. It'll show you disk transfer rate. If it's in the 10s of megabytes/s while streaming (50-100mb maybe), possible bottleneck there.
Ethernet send/receive... would be good to compare it to the HP Stream to see if the HP Stream has higher throughput or more consistent connection. Or, put them on the network, share a file or folder on either PC (something large, 1GB+ worth of files preferable), and copy it over the network back and forth to the PCs, watching send and receive on both.
You could have random programs and shite running on the Core 2 Duo hogging resources -- bandwidth, RAM, CPU, i/o, etc.
Another thought. Old PC upgraded to Windows 10 -- yes, it has the specs to support it. But that doesn't mean your old drivers are necessarily playing nice either. Anything from your Wifi and ethernet drivers to your chipset drivers could be causing a problem. Unless the manufacturer released Windows 10 compatible drivers and you installed them, it's actually highly likely there's an issue there. I'm not upgrading my 5-year-old ASUS laptop for that very reason. It's on Win 7. No more driver support from ASUS for it, and there were workarounds posted for people who were having driver issues when upgrading to Windows 8, so I didn't even bother with that either.
CPU usage... if it's hitting 90-100% utilization, that may be a problem. It'll show you disk transfer rate. If it's in the 10s of megabytes/s while streaming (50-100mb maybe), possible bottleneck there.
Ethernet send/receive... would be good to compare it to the HP Stream to see if the HP Stream has higher throughput or more consistent connection. Or, put them on the network, share a file or folder on either PC (something large, 1GB+ worth of files preferable), and copy it over the network back and forth to the PCs, watching send and receive on both.
You could have random programs and shite running on the Core 2 Duo hogging resources -- bandwidth, RAM, CPU, i/o, etc.
Another thought. Old PC upgraded to Windows 10 -- yes, it has the specs to support it. But that doesn't mean your old drivers are necessarily playing nice either. Anything from your Wifi and ethernet drivers to your chipset drivers could be causing a problem. Unless the manufacturer released Windows 10 compatible drivers and you installed them, it's actually highly likely there's an issue there. I'm not upgrading my 5-year-old ASUS laptop for that very reason. It's on Win 7. No more driver support from ASUS for it, and there were workarounds posted for people who were having driver issues when upgrading to Windows 8, so I didn't even bother with that either.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 11:50 am
Posted on 10/19/15 at 11:50 am to ILikeLSUToo
Thanks. I'll update once I get back home.
Posted on 10/19/15 at 8:28 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
From the looks of the screenshots, if it were a processing power issue you'd think that the HP stream would be the one to perform worse. Memory usage almost maxed, CPU usage spikes to full saturation (the CPU spikes are not concerning. That's just the shitty GPU trying to render video. I've seen that kind of usage trying to watch netflix or youtube on a mobile pentium or celeron). I notice that the HP shows a marginally higher wifi throughput in one of the screenshots, but nothing of serious concern. I'd investigate peak wifi throughput in both.
Another thing I notice is that the HP shows no disk usage, and the ASUS shows 5/10/30+% then 88% in the screenshots. I'd investigate that activity as well.
Another thing I notice is that the HP shows no disk usage, and the ASUS shows 5/10/30+% then 88% in the screenshots. I'd investigate that activity as well.
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 9:38 pm to ILikeLSUToo
I tested both on throughput. Both have average of 6.5 Mbps and peak at 6.7 Mbps.
Hp stream is running at 1333 Mhz speed on RAM. It's a DDR3.
Asus is running at 800 MHz speed on RAM. It's a DDR2.
HP stream seemed to have a higher average write speed on the disk drive at around 45 KB/s peak around 105 KB/s
Asus average lower and less often at around 25 KB/s and peak at 300 KB/s
Hp stream is running at 1333 Mhz speed on RAM. It's a DDR3.
Asus is running at 800 MHz speed on RAM. It's a DDR2.
HP stream seemed to have a higher average write speed on the disk drive at around 45 KB/s peak around 105 KB/s
Asus average lower and less often at around 25 KB/s and peak at 300 KB/s
This post was edited on 10/19/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:47 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
are you seeing any breaks or banding in the stream?
what stream setting are you using? very high?
what stream setting are you using? very high?
Posted on 10/19/15 at 10:54 pm to jeff5891
Medium. Throughput is also very consistent throughout both. Stays at a constant 6.5 Mbps.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 8:09 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:11 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
You figure out the reason for the high disk usage disparity?
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:19 am to ILikeLSUToo
Nope. Google Chrome is usually my culprit but I disabled background on that ASUS before the testing and had it closed.
I will try this though. LINK and LINK
Have you seen anything that would point it to the Hard drive or something like the above mentioned?
I will try this though. LINK and LINK
Have you seen anything that would point it to the Hard drive or something like the above mentioned?
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 11:23 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:27 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
A rather time-consuming experiment might be a fresh install of windows on a different partition. Just install Windows, essential drivers, and whatever else you need to stream. Eliminate any potential variables that arise from background processes accumulating over a period of time.
Failing that, I'm stumped at the moment. I'm sure you only live a few minutes from me. I could stop by sometime this week and take a look.
EDIT: Definitely try the fixes in those links above first.
Failing that, I'm stumped at the moment. I'm sure you only live a few minutes from me. I could stop by sometime this week and take a look.
EDIT: Definitely try the fixes in those links above first.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:50 am to ILikeLSUToo
I'll attempt the fixes above and the fresh install if needed. I'll let you know.
edit:
Also just chatted with Windows support and they said to update the graphic driver. I'll try that as well.
They also said to create a new profile with admin privileges . They said it was a minor bug to bring over an existing profile from 8.1 that it may run slower.
edit:
Also just chatted with Windows support and they said to update the graphic driver. I'll try that as well.
They also said to create a new profile with admin privileges . They said it was a minor bug to bring over an existing profile from 8.1 that it may run slower.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 10/20/15 at 4:10 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:
Medium.
the higher the setting the better the stream will be with input lag
quote:
Stays at a constant 6.5 Mbps.
will shoot up with a higher stream setting
Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:11 am to jeff5891
I did notice when I changed it to High and Very High that it would have a better quality of stream but it would still lag but have significantly less spikes in lag.
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:16 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
quote:it's tough for a video feed to stay consistent over wifi when the video is constantly updated in real time instead of buffering/downloading in the background. try direct connecting your computer. It will probably be a lot better.
but it would still lag but have significantly less spikes in lag
If you don't have an Ethernet port, you will need a USB/Ethernet adapter.
Posted on 10/25/15 at 1:00 pm to jeff5891
Soo iLike..... I caved and bought another computer. Lol
To me, I noticed something between the older one and the new one and that is that the old one handled less threads
To me, I noticed something between the older one and the new one and that is that the old one handled less threads
Posted on 10/25/15 at 10:27 pm to Hu_Flung_Pu
If you're talking about the threads shown in task manager, that's not how many threads are being handled, those are just threads from running processes, handled by your task scheduler. The number of them has nothing to do with how many the CPU can execute at once, and everything to do with how many threads are required for a running process. Threads can be bound (and potentially bottlenecked) by CPU, memory, hard drive, or network bandwidth.
I'm assuming the new computer solved everything? What are the specs?
I'm assuming the new computer solved everything? What are the specs?
Posted on 10/26/15 at 7:13 am to ILikeLSUToo
Well I do know the core 2 duo doesn't hyperthread but that might not be it. I am somewhat familiar on threading but it was weird that the older computer handled less and the two newer ones were very similar on how many they handled.
I7, 6GB RAM, 1 TB HDD. I plan to upgrade to 16GB RAM (maybe just 12 )and a SSD.
I don't pc game (non master race) so I didn't look for a dedicated gpu but I heard the igpu intel HD 5500 was decent enough. It runs perfectly on high stream and picks up the Internet better and runs on the 5 ghz channel.
I7, 6GB RAM, 1 TB HDD. I plan to upgrade to 16GB RAM (maybe just 12 )and a SSD.
I don't pc game (non master race) so I didn't look for a dedicated gpu but I heard the igpu intel HD 5500 was decent enough. It runs perfectly on high stream and picks up the Internet better and runs on the 5 ghz channel.
This post was edited on 10/26/15 at 7:18 am
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