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T mobile 5g is suppose to be the best out there--going to try for 30 days-has anyone else?

Posted on 1/30/21 at 6:04 pm
Posted by JDGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2020
650 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 6:04 pm
I have been with ATT since 1986 and BellSouth Mobility days but I read their 5g is nothing special but T's is a major step up. I called T tonight and signed up. I can cancel anytime within 30 days and return the phone.

Has anyone done this with T? Any hang ups dealing with them other than being a cell company?
This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 7:58 pm
Posted by touchdownjeebus
Member since Sep 2010
24833 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:12 pm to
Works fine for me. No dead spots, no dropped calls, plenty fast enough. Any sad spots that were around are now full bar LTE. The rest is 5G.

In and around NOLA
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65763 posts
Posted on 1/30/21 at 8:59 pm to
5G full service everywhere around me and I'm fairly rural Missouri. TMO 5G is nutty.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:23 am to
It's time to lower your expectations on "5G". Tech writers irresponsibly hyped up "5G" without understanding what it is. To this day, they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about when they pump out articles/videos. We've been sold "up to Gigabit speeds" and "new mmWave bands" by these amateur idiots. This has led to many people scratching their heads whenever their phones are peaking at 20-30 Mbps on 5G.

Let me explain;

In order to get the speeds that every idiot tech writer has been writing about, carriers will need massive amounts of contiguous spectrum (blocks of 100 MHz of spectrum). Unfortunately, carriers won't find this in existing FDD spectrum they own (Bands 2, 4, 12, 66, etc). To get massive blocks of contiguous spectrum, carriers had to go looking for it in the 28 GHz and 39 GHz bands.

Success? Not quite.

Anyone who took HS physics would know that higher frequencies don't travel/penetrate as far as lower frequencies. This means that these amazing speeds we've been promised will only be found in certain neighborhoods, parks, convention centers, and stadiums (think of ranges similar to that of WiFi routers). AT&T and Verizon are practically screwed at the moment until the FCC auctions off spectrum in the 3.5 - 3.8 GHz area. In the meantime, in order to be able to claim "nationwide coverage", they have had to repurpose or share existing LTE spectrum with 5G NR (AT&T killed 3G/LTE on the 850 MHz band for n5 while Verizon is using DSS to simultaneously broadcast LTE and NR on the PCS and AWS bands). This is why 5G isn't setting speed records at the moment.

Now there's a reason why I didn't mention T-Mobile. They are the only carrier that currently has the spectrum to offer wide coverage with faster speeds. Clearwire (which was bought by Sprint, which was bought by T-Mobile) owned a lot of EBS/BRS licenses. They owned an average of 160 MHz of bandwidth in the 2.5 - 2.6 GHz band in most markets. While T-Mobile is moving extremely fast in deploying n41 in places such as Houston and Dallas, don't expect to find it everywhere just yet. It'll take time (there was a shortage of equipment a while back).

TL;DR version. Lower your expectations. T-Mobile will likely have the best 5G network in a few years. Today, everyone sucks unless you find their rare mmWave towers that can't penetrate a wet paper towel.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 1/31/21 at 7:32 am to
quote:

Anyone who took HS physics would know that higher frequencies don't travel/penetrate as far as lower frequencies.
this is also why they need more towers. the towers need to be closer together but they obviously aren't willing to invest the money. There's no money to gain.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:30 am to
They would have to put a massive amount of towers to get mmWave in every single american neighborhood. The cost of doing this would be astronomical and not feasible for mobile users.

What Verizon is building today is their WISP foundation for tomorrow. mmWave will not be as widespread as people think it will be for mobile users. Small cellphones can't get more than a block of outdoor coverage from mmW small cells. It's bad enough that you can't even get it inside buildings that sit right next to the node.

But sticking directional outdoor antennas for 5G home internet? That's a whole other ballgame and the likely end game for Verizon. Fixed UEs will overcome some of the disadvantages seen on mobile UEs with mmW. For now, Verizon marketing is more than happy to use mmWave as a "proof of concept" for 5G.

Also, at some point Verizon will piss off enough people and have their small cell build out halted. There are similar stories like the one above all over the country. The FCC will eventually fold and shut this down IMO.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 1/31/21 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Texas Weazel
You seem pretty knowledgeable about radio. Do you think Starlink will be able to scale? What are the logistics of blanketing the globe with high speed wireless coverage? As an example, if they were to service a city of ~100k, would they try to put a dish at every residence, or would they link the sats to ground relay stations to basically be the backbone for local WISPs, or something else?
Posted by DoubleDown
New Orleans, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2008
12851 posts
Posted on 1/31/21 at 12:41 pm to
I have T-Mobile and 5G in New Orleans with iPhone 12 Pro Max and i literally can tell no difference in my day to day activities. It loads ESPN website and normal stuff just as fast/slow as 4g LTE.

I’m sure it’s faster on paper but for most folks, they wont be able to tell a difference in my opinion.
Posted by JDGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2020
650 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 12:32 pm to
Thanks everybody.

I am actually want to see if T mobile is better in a rural area I frequent. They show 5g there on their coverage map.

I get the phone tomorrow and will give a report if anyone is interested.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 2:59 pm to
I'm not sure about starlink. Logistics wise, it's a different beast than wireless.

I don't think their goal is to connect entire cities with 100k+ populations. They'll definitely have their work cut out to make sure that congestion doesn't creep up on their network.

Having said that, there was some talk about wireless carriers using these low orbiting satellites for backhaul. Laying fiber is expensive and microwave backhaul isn't always feasible due to terrain and other factors. I know T-Mobile and Verizon have used satellite backhaul in the past in new rural sites and during hurricane recovery efforts. T-Mobile added new coverage along I-25 in Wyoming using satellite backhaul. Latency was awful, but it got the job done. With starlink's lower latency, it should be a game changer for business customers who work in rural part of the world.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:01 pm to
I believe T-Mobile has only deployes 10x10 MHz of 5G NR in the 600 MHz band (n71). That's not going to give you better speeds (especially in SA mode).

But what n71 will do is give you a lifeline in places where there is congestion since not many users have 5G phones yet.

The real difference maker will come when T-Mobile finally deploys n41 in New Orleans.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11494 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:11 pm to
Going to 5G Tmobile has been great. Lower bill and faster speeds, you don't really see the speeds so much on your phone but my MIL doesn't have home internet for some weird arse reason in her 1/2 million dollar Houston home and I was using my phone for hot spots and it was faster than any home internet I have ever had.
Posted by UltimateHog
Oregon
Member since Dec 2011
65763 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 3:58 pm to
Yeah I get about 130Mbps. I definitely notice it.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45707 posts
Posted on 2/1/21 at 10:42 pm to
quote:

Also, at some point Verizon will piss off enough people and have their small cell build out halted. There are similar stories like the one above all over the country. The FCC will eventually fold and shut this down IMO.
This. Around me there are fricking little mini towers everywhere. Feels like I'm being bombarded with 5g from all around.
Posted by JDGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2020
650 posts
Posted on 2/2/21 at 7:52 pm to
Ok my speeds here north of Hammond in a fairly rural area are great—200 mbps down and 20 up in speed test. Much faster than my charter WiFi and my ATT phone is 22 mbps down and 4 mbps up on lte here.

I also have three bars of cellular reception vs 2.

I am going to carry both phones for a week or so. I want to use the faster one as a hot spot for my work from home stuff.

Videos are the main thing I see the difference in.

The t mobile phone is an iPhone 12 and the att phone is a ten.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 9:35 pm
Posted by Geauxlden Eagle
125 miles W. of God's Country
Member since Feb 2013
2020 posts
Posted on 2/8/21 at 9:37 am to
JDG,

are you doing that "try our network" thing where they send you a device? I'm considering switching from AT&T too. Looks like my bill could be almost 1/2 of my current bill.

I'd like to hear more reports.
Posted by JDGTiger
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2020
650 posts
Posted on 2/13/21 at 7:52 pm to
Yes I did that and after a week I moved my number from ATT to T-Mobile.

I am very happy with it. I am using it as a hot spot at home now. I may drop Charter.

You notice the speed when you are streaming or downloading large files. When I set up my phones my 20-30 apps loaded in like 3 or 4 minutes.

Other thing I did was sign up for Amazon HD music streaming--free for 30 days. I am using that to see if I lose connection while traveling.

I get very good download speeds compared to LTE and I get LTE in very remote areas where my ATT phone used to downgrade.

This post was edited on 2/13/21 at 7:56 pm
Posted by Jax-Tiger
Port Saint Lucie, FL
Member since Jan 2005
24734 posts
Posted on 2/14/21 at 2:41 pm to
I have had T-Mobile for years. I have 6 phones for $120/mo using my son's military discount. Unlimited everything. The only difference being that I recently got a 5G phone S21 Ultra.

I get about the same with 5G as with LTE - @70 mps down.
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