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Official state of 4K thread
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:42 am
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:42 am
I'll add to this as we go but now that I have a 4K tv being delivered on Saturday I'm anxious to try out some samples. Here are the inputs I know of:
Streaming
- Netflix (YES)
- Vudu
- Amazon (YES)
- watch ESPN (NO)
- HBO app (NO)
- YouTube...required DV9 chip, many sets do not have this built-in but you can hook up a roku 4 or laptop and stream 4K to the TV that way
- direct tv 4K channels
- dish?
- comcast x1 as usual still delaying release of 4K box (now 2017 they're saying)
Durect Input/non streaming
- Roku 4 (box only, stick supports HD and not UHD)
- Amazon fire (box only, stick supports HD and not UHD)
- DLNA - Run stuff from your local NAS..see steps below.
First - UHD (TV 4K format) is not equal to cinema 4K
awesome. let's release a new standard without even getting the number of pixels straight.
this means the infamous black bars if the content is say 3840 x 1660 or some nonsense but *WORSE* it means you literally cannot view a cinema 4K at native resolution without it being stretched or part of the image will be cut off.
again, awesome.
well done guys.
Second - UHD has new audio & video compression (and non compression) standards. What used to make up most torrents was H.264. The new hotness in UHD is H.265 (why? because its better by 1). This standard when used to compress UHD content will likely play on more TVs that are out there.
The competing standard to this is Google's VP9. Youtube UHD uses VP9 and some sets don't support this hardware standard so be aware these 2 standards are fighting for world domination.
Third - This brings me to the meat of the discussion. How do you show off that glorious new panel? Streaming Netflix? Streaming YouTube? Nah. You want the best, source it with the best.
Currently I've found using the *FREE* Vidcoder utility (for UNIX, PC and Mac) is the best and easiest way to take free UHD torrents and tranmogrify them to play natively, locally on your TV. Download the tool (google it) and then you can be confident all the showy UHD stuff (and torrents) can be converted to work well on your TV.
Fourth - I highly recommend skipping WiFi for UHD playback and just hardwire your TV to save yourself the hassle. I run into enough hiccups with 6 people at my house using the WiFi to risk the annoyance of even a 1/2 second hiccup for UHD. Just go to monoprice and get you a nice 50ft cat5e cable for $4 and get off your lazy arse and run that thing into the wall, through your attic (if necessary) and out the wall behind the TV.
Even better, buy a $15 switch and then hardwire your Xbox, BD player, AVR, Amazon Fire or Roku while you're at it since they're probably all sitting next to the TV anyway. Just head off the problems before they start.
Streaming
- Netflix (YES)
- Vudu
- Amazon (YES)
- watch ESPN (NO)
- HBO app (NO)
- YouTube...required DV9 chip, many sets do not have this built-in but you can hook up a roku 4 or laptop and stream 4K to the TV that way
- direct tv 4K channels
- dish?
- comcast x1 as usual still delaying release of 4K box (now 2017 they're saying)
Durect Input/non streaming
- Roku 4 (box only, stick supports HD and not UHD)
- Amazon fire (box only, stick supports HD and not UHD)
- DLNA - Run stuff from your local NAS..see steps below.
First - UHD (TV 4K format) is not equal to cinema 4K
quote:
cinema = 4096 x 2160 4K resolution, the new Ultra HD consumer format has a slightly lower resolution of 3840 X 2160. This is one reason why some brands prefer not to use the 4K label at all, sticking with Ultra HD or UHD instead.

awesome. let's release a new standard without even getting the number of pixels straight.
this means the infamous black bars if the content is say 3840 x 1660 or some nonsense but *WORSE* it means you literally cannot view a cinema 4K at native resolution without it being stretched or part of the image will be cut off.
again, awesome.
well done guys.
Second - UHD has new audio & video compression (and non compression) standards. What used to make up most torrents was H.264. The new hotness in UHD is H.265 (why? because its better by 1). This standard when used to compress UHD content will likely play on more TVs that are out there.
The competing standard to this is Google's VP9. Youtube UHD uses VP9 and some sets don't support this hardware standard so be aware these 2 standards are fighting for world domination.
Third - This brings me to the meat of the discussion. How do you show off that glorious new panel? Streaming Netflix? Streaming YouTube? Nah. You want the best, source it with the best.
Currently I've found using the *FREE* Vidcoder utility (for UNIX, PC and Mac) is the best and easiest way to take free UHD torrents and tranmogrify them to play natively, locally on your TV. Download the tool (google it) and then you can be confident all the showy UHD stuff (and torrents) can be converted to work well on your TV.
Fourth - I highly recommend skipping WiFi for UHD playback and just hardwire your TV to save yourself the hassle. I run into enough hiccups with 6 people at my house using the WiFi to risk the annoyance of even a 1/2 second hiccup for UHD. Just go to monoprice and get you a nice 50ft cat5e cable for $4 and get off your lazy arse and run that thing into the wall, through your attic (if necessary) and out the wall behind the TV.
Even better, buy a $15 switch and then hardwire your Xbox, BD player, AVR, Amazon Fire or Roku while you're at it since they're probably all sitting next to the TV anyway. Just head off the problems before they start.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:45 am to CAD703X
Samsung UHD Blu Ray
Sony Media player
But those cost money so probably won't work for you
Sony Media player
But those cost money so probably won't work for you
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:45 am to TigerWise
Those have native 4k video? Is this a special disk?
Also what do you use to calibrate TVs?
Also what do you use to calibrate TVs?
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 9:47 am
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:50 am to CAD703X
Yes there are 4K blue ray disc. Much better that trying to steam the content.
Vizio pro calibration wrench ?
Vizio pro calibration wrench ?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:55 am to TigerWise
At those prices you may as well get the new Xbox One S.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:56 am to TigerWise
quote:
Vizio pro calibration wrench ?

It's this a video file I can run from a USB stick?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:03 am to CAD703X
I've always used AVS 709 calibration to great effect. They can be played from a USB as well, but the best results would be to plug in a laptop via HDMI to your tv, as there is a very large amount of calibration files.
LINK to thread and download
LINK to thread and download
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:22 am to CAD703X
Xbox One S has a 4k blu ray player in it now. Just picked one up and the Deadpool 4k but havent watched it yet.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:35 am to CAD703X
I was going to pull the trigger on a 65"ks8000,but then I was told that my receiver wouldn't work with it because of the new hdmi cable standards. My receiver is only about 5 or so years old and I'd rather not replace an entire system right now.
Is that true?
Is that true?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:36 am to AnonymousTiger
It likely won't pass 4K
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:49 am to AnonymousTiger
quote:
I was going to pull the trigger on a 65"ks8000,but then I was told that my receiver wouldn't work with it because of the new hdmi cable standards. My receiver is only about 5 or so years old and I'd rather not replace an entire system right now.
Is that true?
Your receiver probably doesn't have the ability to transfer 4K. However, as a fellow KS8000 owner, get it anyway.

Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:13 am to CAD703X
The Hopper 3 is Dishnetwork's 4k receiver, and they also have 4k Joeys (their secondary receivers). I don't know what kind of 4k channels they currently have, but Netflix is built into it, so I assume you can watch the 4k content.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:24 am to CAD703X
quote:
Netflix
Did you get the email a few weeks ago? Only gonna offer 4k on the $12 plan.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:28 am to junkfunky
quote:wait what? No grandfathering? shite. That was the first thing I wanted to try out this weekend.
Did you get the email a few weeks ago? Only gonna offer 4k on the $12 plan.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:37 am to whodatdude
Don't have time to read that right now but can you do this with a basic laptop that isn't 4k? It has an HDMI port but I can't wrap my head around this.
Oh wait..4k has no bearing on color calibration right?
Oh wait..4k has no bearing on color calibration right?
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:38 am to junkfunky
Well frick I guess I'll have to try something other than Netflix to test 4k on Saturday. Dammit I wanted to try daredevil and breaking bad.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:49 am to CAD703X
quote:You might consider the Joe Kane Productions Digital Video Essentials UHD Calibration Program
Also what do you use to calibrate TVs?
Joe Kane has forgotten more about video calibration than most here will absorb over their entire lifetime. He is the guru to the CEDIA community for accurate video reproduction.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:54 am to CAD703X
4k Tvs are nice, but they will never last as long as a 1980's RCA.
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:00 pm to Napoleon

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