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Official state of 4K thread

Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:42 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:42 am
I'll add to this as we go but now that I have a 4K tv being delivered on Saturday I'm anxious to try out some samples. Here are the inputs I know of:

Streaming
- Netflix (YES)
- Vudu
- Amazon (YES)
- watch ESPN (NO)
- HBO app (NO)
- YouTube...required DV9 chip, many sets do not have this built-in but you can hook up a roku 4 or laptop and stream 4K to the TV that way
- direct tv 4K channels
- dish?
- comcast x1 as usual still delaying release of 4K box (now 2017 they're saying)

Durect Input/non streaming
- Roku 4 (box only, stick supports HD and not UHD)
- Amazon fire (box only, stick supports HD and not UHD)
- DLNA - Run stuff from your local NAS..see steps below.



First - UHD (TV 4K format) is not equal to cinema 4K

quote:

cinema = 4096 x 2160 4K resolution, the new Ultra HD consumer format has a slightly lower resolution of 3840 X 2160. This is one reason why some brands prefer not to use the 4K label at all, sticking with Ultra HD or UHD instead.


awesome. let's release a new standard without even getting the number of pixels straight.

this means the infamous black bars if the content is say 3840 x 1660 or some nonsense but *WORSE* it means you literally cannot view a cinema 4K at native resolution without it being stretched or part of the image will be cut off.

again, awesome.

well done guys.

Second - UHD has new audio & video compression (and non compression) standards. What used to make up most torrents was H.264. The new hotness in UHD is H.265 (why? because its better by 1). This standard when used to compress UHD content will likely play on more TVs that are out there.

The competing standard to this is Google's VP9. Youtube UHD uses VP9 and some sets don't support this hardware standard so be aware these 2 standards are fighting for world domination.

Third - This brings me to the meat of the discussion. How do you show off that glorious new panel? Streaming Netflix? Streaming YouTube? Nah. You want the best, source it with the best.

Currently I've found using the *FREE* Vidcoder utility (for UNIX, PC and Mac) is the best and easiest way to take free UHD torrents and tranmogrify them to play natively, locally on your TV. Download the tool (google it) and then you can be confident all the showy UHD stuff (and torrents) can be converted to work well on your TV.

Fourth - I highly recommend skipping WiFi for UHD playback and just hardwire your TV to save yourself the hassle. I run into enough hiccups with 6 people at my house using the WiFi to risk the annoyance of even a 1/2 second hiccup for UHD. Just go to monoprice and get you a nice 50ft cat5e cable for $4 and get off your lazy arse and run that thing into the wall, through your attic (if necessary) and out the wall behind the TV.

Even better, buy a $15 switch and then hardwire your Xbox, BD player, AVR, Amazon Fire or Roku while you're at it since they're probably all sitting next to the TV anyway. Just head off the problems before they start.
This post was edited on 8/22/16 at 4:53 pm
Posted by TigerWise
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:45 am to
Samsung UHD Blu Ray
Sony Media player

But those cost money so probably won't work for you
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 9:47 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
86702 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:45 am to
Those have native 4k video? Is this a special disk?

Also what do you use to calibrate TVs?
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 9:47 am
Posted by TigerWise
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Member since Sep 2010
35122 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:50 am to
Yes there are 4K blue ray disc. Much better that trying to steam the content.

Vizio pro calibration wrench ?
Posted by rbWarEagle
Member since Nov 2009
49999 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:55 am to
At those prices you may as well get the new Xbox One S.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86702 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 9:56 am to
quote:

Vizio pro calibration wrench ?


It's this a video file I can run from a USB stick?
Posted by whodatdude
Member since Feb 2011
1452 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:03 am to
I've always used AVS 709 calibration to great effect. They can be played from a USB as well, but the best results would be to plug in a laptop via HDMI to your tv, as there is a very large amount of calibration files.

LINK to thread and download
Posted by SprintFun
Columbus, OH
Member since Dec 2007
45829 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:22 am to
Xbox One S has a 4k blu ray player in it now. Just picked one up and the Deadpool 4k but havent watched it yet.
Posted by AnonymousTiger
Franklin, TN
Member since Jan 2012
4863 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:35 am to
I was going to pull the trigger on a 65"ks8000,but then I was told that my receiver wouldn't work with it because of the new hdmi cable standards. My receiver is only about 5 or so years old and I'd rather not replace an entire system right now.

Is that true?
Posted by TigerWise
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Member since Sep 2010
35122 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:36 am to
It likely won't pass 4K
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37673 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 10:49 am to
quote:

I was going to pull the trigger on a 65"ks8000,but then I was told that my receiver wouldn't work with it because of the new hdmi cable standards. My receiver is only about 5 or so years old and I'd rather not replace an entire system right now.

Is that true?


Your receiver probably doesn't have the ability to transfer 4K. However, as a fellow KS8000 owner, get it anyway.
Posted by CubsFanBudMan
Member since Jul 2008
5744 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:13 am to
The Hopper 3 is Dishnetwork's 4k receiver, and they also have 4k Joeys (their secondary receivers). I don't know what kind of 4k channels they currently have, but Netflix is built into it, so I assume you can watch the 4k content.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34969 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:24 am to
quote:

Netflix


Did you get the email a few weeks ago? Only gonna offer 4k on the $12 plan.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86702 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:28 am to
quote:

Did you get the email a few weeks ago? Only gonna offer 4k on the $12 plan.
wait what? No grandfathering? shite. That was the first thing I wanted to try out this weekend.
Posted by junkfunky
Member since Jan 2011
34969 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:30 am to
Of course, I can't find it now, it's on my wife's email and it looks like she deleted it.

ETA:
LINK

You can keep paying $8 for SD

ETA:
According to Netflix they grandfathered us for 2 years.
This post was edited on 8/11/16 at 11:34 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Member since Jul 2008
86702 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:37 am to
Don't have time to read that right now but can you do this with a basic laptop that isn't 4k? It has an HDMI port but I can't wrap my head around this.


Oh wait..4k has no bearing on color calibration right?
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86702 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:38 am to
Well frick I guess I'll have to try something other than Netflix to test 4k on Saturday. Dammit I wanted to try daredevil and breaking bad.
Posted by HubbaBubba
North of DFW, TX
Member since Oct 2010
48740 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Also what do you use to calibrate TVs?
You might consider the Joe Kane Productions Digital Video Essentials UHD Calibration Program

Joe Kane has forgotten more about video calibration than most here will absorb over their entire lifetime. He is the guru to the CEDIA community for accurate video reproduction.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70902 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 11:54 am to
4k Tvs are nice, but they will never last as long as a 1980's RCA.

Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86702 posts
Posted on 8/11/16 at 12:00 pm to
I'm not washing clothes in 4k.
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