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Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:10 am to VABuckeye
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Posted on 6/20/21 at 9:42 am to Simon Gruber
Cat 6 is fine.
No need for anything higher in a house or even in most buildings.
Anything that needs more than cat 6 should be on fiber.
Prewire for cctv cameras.
Run a drop to the storage/workshop.
The direction home appliances are going, maybe even run a drop behind the fridge, range, A/C?
No need for anything higher in a house or even in most buildings.
Anything that needs more than cat 6 should be on fiber.
Prewire for cctv cameras.
Run a drop to the storage/workshop.
The direction home appliances are going, maybe even run a drop behind the fridge, range, A/C?
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 9:47 am
Posted on 6/20/21 at 5:43 pm to VABuckeye
quote:Way to sell your services.
As the owner of a company that pulls copper and fiber all day every day I agree. Wifi is at the point where it is caught up with current technology for streaming as long as a person gets gear and an ISP service level that can handle to bandwidth.
I get it, current wifi tech can outpace the fastest residential internet available. Residential internet might not ever need to be faster than gigabit. I think that's kind of short-sighted, though.
I think cable will be useful for at least a couple more decades. Security cameras are a big reason. Even if you use wifi cameras they have to be plugged in (batteries just won't cut it for 24/7 recording), and PoE is a cheaper, easier, and cleaner solution than running romex where you need it.
No idea what's coming in the future. Powered AC vents? Change batteries, run expensive romex, or run cheap cat cable and forget it? PoE lighting? Few light fixtures need more than 50 watts these days. Powered blinds/curtains? Power to every door with a wireless pad bridging the gap at the hinges to keep smart locks powered up?
I don't know, man, I still say if the walls are open run as much cable as possible.
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:11 pm to Korkstand
We do commercial building risers system, office prewires and access control and data center cabling. Our business isn’t going away.
This post was edited on 6/20/21 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 6/20/21 at 8:12 pm to Korkstand
I’m not against running cable in residential but if a person is in an area with high speed Internet and pays for it wifi now covers most applications. I do agree with wiring to camera locations.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 8:55 am to VABuckeye
I'm to the point in my residential installs, that I'm running cat6 to anything that takes POE. If not, its getting connected wirelessly, unless the customer insists.
I've yet to see a reason to run 6A in a residential application, even though I did it in mine when I remodeled a couple years ago
I've yet to see a reason to run 6A in a residential application, even though I did it in mine when I remodeled a couple years ago
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:55 am to Korkstand
I'm going to piggy back a bit here since I am in a similar situation as the OP. I already have the CAT6 run where I want it and have it all going to a central location. I plan to have Cox Gigablast service. That being said I'm looking for recommendations for equipment. From what I understand I'll be needing:
1. docsis 3.1 modem/router
2. a 16 or 24 port switch
3. two AP's (2000 sq ft.) - I've been looking at Ubiquiti U6 Lite
4. patch panel
5. rack
If I missed anything let me know.
1. docsis 3.1 modem/router
2. a 16 or 24 port switch
3. two AP's (2000 sq ft.) - I've been looking at Ubiquiti U6 Lite
4. patch panel
5. rack
If I missed anything let me know.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:13 pm to shawnlsu
quote:Material and labor costs included, what would you estimate is the difference for 6 vs 6A percentage wise?
I'm to the point in my residential installs, that I'm running cat6 to anything that takes POE. If not, its getting connected wirelessly, unless the customer insists.
I've yet to see a reason to run 6A in a residential application, even though I did it in mine when I remodeled a couple years ago
Also, does anyone know if the 6A spec requires any shielding? In other words, is u/utp 6A really 6A?
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 12:20 pm to tigerpride8
quote:Personally I avoid modem/router combo units like the plague, so if you're looking at the UI APs I would consider a UDM-Pro paired with a standalone modem. However what you have listed should work just fine. I'll add that if you're wired for security cameras, make the switch a PoE switch. If you don't want to pay for 16 or 24 powered ports, there are plenty of 16 port switches with only 8 PoE.
1. docsis 3.1 modem/router
2. a 16 or 24 port switch
3. two AP's (2000 sq ft.) - I've been looking at Ubiquiti U6 Lite
4. patch panel
5. rack
If I missed anything let me know.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:15 pm to Korkstand
I typically charge $180-$200 for a single cat6 drop
Same run in 6A would run about $275-$300
6A does not require shielding unless its in a really bad EM environment, which most homes are. I just hang all of the cables we run by jhooks on the rafters or purlins to keep them away from all the hammered romex. .
The only time I have installed shielded cable is when security is a concern, as the drain is used for continuity (courthouse, fed building, military base)
Same run in 6A would run about $275-$300
6A does not require shielding unless its in a really bad EM environment, which most homes are.
I just hang all of the cables we run by jhooks on the rafters or purlins to keep them away from all the hammered romex. . The only time I have installed shielded cable is when security is a concern, as the drain is used for continuity (courthouse, fed building, military base)
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:35 pm to Korkstand
quote:
I will strongly recommend putting in a wall-mount network rack from the start. You will need a modem/router and switch at the minimum, which means you will need a shelf of some sort to put it all on. Might as well make it a shelf in a rack. It will make it easy to hide all your cables and make everything tidy.
He needs all of the runs terminated to a patch panel first. Gives more flexibility
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:38 pm to shawnlsu
quote:So then the only difference in cat6 and unshielded 6A is tighter twists in the pairs, and possibly a bump from 24 to 23awg conductors (though a lot of cat6 is 23awg anyway). If that's the case, why is 6A so much more expensive to run? I get that it's just the market and if 6A is required then it commands a premium, but from a cost perspective I don't see a 50% bump. Materials maybe (+$100-200 in cabling for the whole house), but not the labor if you're not dealing with shielding.
6A does not require shielding unless its in a really bad EM environment
Sorry for all the questions! I run a little bit of cabling too, and like you guys almost always cat6. I'm just trying to understand the argument against 6A at this point when someone asks for "future-proofing".
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:48 pm to Korkstand
6A is much more finicky than 6. Think of what you can do to a 5e cable vs a cat6 and get it to pass standard, then multiply that difference by a factor of 10. You just have to be more careful with 6A, especially your twists at termination points. Kinks are also a bandwidth killer with 6A.
ETA: It's also almost 100% more in costs vs cat6, cable for cable.
ETA: The residential argument is you can get 10 GB with cat6 up to about 55 meters, which is usually enough in a residential application. That pretty damned future proof, to be quite honest.
ETA: It's also almost 100% more in costs vs cat6, cable for cable.
ETA: The residential argument is you can get 10 GB with cat6 up to about 55 meters, which is usually enough in a residential application. That pretty damned future proof, to be quite honest.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 6/21/21 at 2:54 pm to bluebarracuda
quote:Yes and preferably a keystone blank patch panel
He needs all of the runs terminated to a patch panel first. Gives more flexibility
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:04 pm to shawnlsu
quote:Even if that's the case, still only about $10 added cable cost per drop. Not seeing the additional $90 in labor other than that's what the market will bear, but anyway...
6A is much more finicky than 6. Think of what you can do to a 5e cable vs a cat6 and get it to pass standard, then multiply that difference by a factor of 10. You just have to be more careful with 6A, especially your twists at termination points. Kinks are also a bandwidth killer with 6A.
ETA: It's also almost 100% more in costs vs cat6, cable for cable.
quote:Why did you put 6A in your house?
ETA: The residential argument is you can get 10 GB with cat6 up to about 55 meters, which is usually enough in a residential application. That pretty damned future proof, to be quite honest.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:18 pm to shawnlsu
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I've yet to see a reason to run 6A in a residential application,
quote:now looky here.....
even though I did it in mine when I remodeled a couple years ago
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:38 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Even if that's the case, still only about $10 added cable cost per drop. Not seeing the additional $90 in labor other than that's what the market will bear, but anyway...
You are paying for my knowledge and experience, not just the extra 10 minutes it takes to terminate/test. It takes a higher level of technician to terminate 6A to spec consistently.
I put it in my house because I had it leftover from a project.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 3:39 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
I've yet to see a reason to run 6A in a residential application,
Free cable is the only reason
Posted on 6/21/21 at 4:55 pm to shawnlsu
quote:Yeah yeah, I get all the justifications for the increased cost, just not seeing $90/drop worth of extra knowledge/experience/labor vs cat6. By your own math 6 drops of 6A vs 6 would add 1 hour and ~$600 to the job. That's some high dollar experience!
You are paying for my knowledge and experience, not just the extra 10 minutes it takes to terminate/test. It takes a higher level of technician to terminate 6A to spec consistently.
I swear I'm not just busting your balls. I guess I'm just trying to project when 6A (or cat7 or 8) will become preferred over cat6 (if ever), because if I can envision that day then that day is here (IMO of course). I'm going to want a 10gbit connection to my file server real soon, and I imagine a lot of the folks editing 4K youtube videos will want the same. Will my existing cat6 handle it reliably? Maybe? Probably?
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