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Need a new secure email service: CTemplar is shutting down
Posted on 5/8/22 at 12:40 am
Posted on 5/8/22 at 12:40 am
I absolutely loved this email service, especially since it was in Iceland and has the strictest privacy laws in the world.
So, I’m looking for a new one. Most common ones I see are:
SecureMyEmail
ProtonMail
I haven’t looked too hard yet, so let me know what’s good. Gmail and Google can suck my balls
Quick run down here:
https://www.techradar.com/best/best-secure-email-providers
So, I’m looking for a new one. Most common ones I see are:
SecureMyEmail
ProtonMail
I haven’t looked too hard yet, so let me know what’s good. Gmail and Google can suck my balls
Quick run down here:
https://www.techradar.com/best/best-secure-email-providers
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Posted on 5/8/22 at 1:09 am to xxTIMMYxx
I don't have any suggestions or advice for you other than I've heard good things about ProtonMail over the years. Also Tutanota.
I'm anxious for all the crypto/blockchain/dapps/"web3" stuff to start maturing. I know it sounds like a lot of buzzword marketing, but I believe it's the only way to truly take our privacy back.
Email is terribly centralized. You can run your own server, but good luck making it onto the whitelists so the big boys will accept your messages. Also good luck keeping it secure and avoiding the permanent blacklists.
Trusting a 3rd party to handle it is not ideal. We can never really be sure they're doing what they say they are, and as we've seen here with CTemplar they can go away at any moment.
Decentralized, trustless systems have to be the future if we are ever to regain control of our data and lives.
I'm anxious for all the crypto/blockchain/dapps/"web3" stuff to start maturing. I know it sounds like a lot of buzzword marketing, but I believe it's the only way to truly take our privacy back.
Email is terribly centralized. You can run your own server, but good luck making it onto the whitelists so the big boys will accept your messages. Also good luck keeping it secure and avoiding the permanent blacklists.
Trusting a 3rd party to handle it is not ideal. We can never really be sure they're doing what they say they are, and as we've seen here with CTemplar they can go away at any moment.
Decentralized, trustless systems have to be the future if we are ever to regain control of our data and lives.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 3:28 am to Korkstand
I am hitting up reddit for some deets. There was a mention of Tutanota. I am going to keep reading though. I feel like the bigger these companies get, the more exposed and compromised they get with big money coming in.
Not likely at all.
Also, if Tutanota closes, it won't be catastrophic to you.
C-Templar was badly managed. It was a very secretive company, with an owner who refused to tell his name, put forth the allegedly exceptional privacy laws of Iceland where the company was supposed to be, but had incorporated it in Panama (if memory serves right), while it later transpired that he lived himself in the United States (at least, that's what he said), and had employees scattered all over the world.
This setup was not conducive to trust, to say the least. Also, the owner seemed to be a bit of a weirdo, cocksure he was smartest than everybody else (despite signs to the contrary), and taking all decisions himself, without bothering to assemble a real team, beyond some coders-for-hire.
Then the company used doubtful practices, such as relying heavily on comparative advertising, using false or at least mistaken data which put competitors in a bad light.
Then it sold lifetime plans at a very discounted price, if I remember correctly, which is always a very bad sign. Or, at least, it sold heavily discounted plans through online outlets specializing in this.
Then you needed an invite to open a free plan. A bad sign, too. It means you are not tech-savvy enough to weed out spammers properly.
Then it hiked up its prices to an extortionate level.
Then it boasted about not having backups, because supposedly that was more private.
Then the inevitable happened, and it lost an enormous bunch (or even all ?) of its customers accounts, because of that smart-arse policy.
Now it is closing. This was entirely predictable.
Tutanota has not remotely done any of this.
But even if it shuts down some day, it won't be catastrophic for you, or anyone else. You will just choose another provider and move your data elsewhere. Notice that even C-Templar, that comically badly managed company, has warned users one month in advance of its closure, and displayed instructions to download data :
LINK
Just as a reminder, no company is eternal. It's the normal sate of things for companies to be born, grow up and die. No "catastrophy" has ensued. People go on with their lives.
Not likely at all.
Also, if Tutanota closes, it won't be catastrophic to you.
C-Templar was badly managed. It was a very secretive company, with an owner who refused to tell his name, put forth the allegedly exceptional privacy laws of Iceland where the company was supposed to be, but had incorporated it in Panama (if memory serves right), while it later transpired that he lived himself in the United States (at least, that's what he said), and had employees scattered all over the world.
This setup was not conducive to trust, to say the least. Also, the owner seemed to be a bit of a weirdo, cocksure he was smartest than everybody else (despite signs to the contrary), and taking all decisions himself, without bothering to assemble a real team, beyond some coders-for-hire.
Then the company used doubtful practices, such as relying heavily on comparative advertising, using false or at least mistaken data which put competitors in a bad light.
Then it sold lifetime plans at a very discounted price, if I remember correctly, which is always a very bad sign. Or, at least, it sold heavily discounted plans through online outlets specializing in this.
Then you needed an invite to open a free plan. A bad sign, too. It means you are not tech-savvy enough to weed out spammers properly.
Then it hiked up its prices to an extortionate level.
Then it boasted about not having backups, because supposedly that was more private.
Then the inevitable happened, and it lost an enormous bunch (or even all ?) of its customers accounts, because of that smart-arse policy.
Now it is closing. This was entirely predictable.
Tutanota has not remotely done any of this.
But even if it shuts down some day, it won't be catastrophic for you, or anyone else. You will just choose another provider and move your data elsewhere. Notice that even C-Templar, that comically badly managed company, has warned users one month in advance of its closure, and displayed instructions to download data :
LINK
Just as a reminder, no company is eternal. It's the normal sate of things for companies to be born, grow up and die. No "catastrophy" has ensued. People go on with their lives.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 3:34 am to xxTIMMYxx
I do remember ctemplar having a problem several months back where I lost everything. I didn't have much in there so I didn't care. The whole Iceland privacy law ting really drew me in.
I am going to look through The Hated One you tube channel, which is fantastic by the way. He does great research on how all these companies skate the rules and governments spy on you. he gives you all the tools to avoid these tactics. I think he was having problems with shadow banning so i joined his patreon and donate a small amount. I sent him a DM asking what he thought was the best available.
I am going to look through The Hated One you tube channel, which is fantastic by the way. He does great research on how all these companies skate the rules and governments spy on you. he gives you all the tools to avoid these tactics. I think he was having problems with shadow banning so i joined his patreon and donate a small amount. I sent him a DM asking what he thought was the best available.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 8:06 am to xxTIMMYxx
I've been using Protonmail since 2018. That was when I started to draw down on my use of google, microsoft, and apple services. I still use an iphone, and I will google funny memes, but I won't submit my data to these companies beyond what one would have to.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 8:58 am to Ricardo
Here’s a really good article that runs down just about everything. Pros and cons of the better stuff out there. Gives you ideas to get around minor flaws of some of the bet ones.
One thing I’m trying to avoid the 5 eyes countries and the EU has their own. Can’t remember which ones. Will have to read through again
https://restoreprivacy.com/email/secure/
One thing I’m trying to avoid the 5 eyes countries and the EU has their own. Can’t remember which ones. Will have to read through again
https://restoreprivacy.com/email/secure/
Posted on 5/8/22 at 9:17 am to xxTIMMYxx
I’ve used Proton mail as 10% of my emails to test it out for about 2 years now. No real complaints. As long as they don’t “over tech” it like Google and Hotmail did years ago it should be fine. I mainly use Gmail due to the calendar and drive, but Proton seems to be adding features like these too.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 9:19 am to xxTIMMYxx
Mailfence Is probably the next best thing out of Belgium. The are part of the 9 eyes or whatever but they are reviewed well.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 9:19 am to xxTIMMYxx
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Posted on 5/8/22 at 9:22 am to xxTIMMYxx
Here’s some messaging apps
Posted on 5/8/22 at 10:44 am to xxTIMMYxx
I use protonmail, still have to use Gmail for my work email, though.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:37 am to xxTIMMYxx
Been using protonmail since they started up years ago. I have a pro account and have custom domain addresses for me and my wife. Haven't had any real issues with them. Would recommend.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 11:56 am to efrad
Think I’m doing that and nordvpn. I have bit defender but my license is running out. Will have to figure out antivirus and firewall. Windows probably has that. I think they have a good one now, unless someone knows better
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 1:30 pm to xxTIMMYxx
I'm using Protonmail Plus and ProtonVPN Plus. No real complants. This also includes a calendar and a beta version of cloud storage.
You can get a price break for bundling both services. If my memory serves me correctly I'm paying around $8 a month.
You can get a price break for bundling both services. If my memory serves me correctly I'm paying around $8 a month.
This post was edited on 5/8/22 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/8/22 at 2:05 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Honestly bit defender has been great but I know if the government comes knocking they are handing shite over. No different than most vpn services. I’m going to spend time watching The Hated One one YouTube and get caught up. Great channel.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 2:07 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Posted on 5/8/22 at 5:37 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Protonmail by ten thousand miles. Not even close. I've used and tried them all.
Posted on 5/8/22 at 7:01 pm to xxTIMMYxx
Jesus, how much child porn are you mailing out?
Posted on 5/9/22 at 7:11 am to whiskey over ice
Lol I’m paranoid at this point. We have absolutely no privacy. I don’t do anything stupid other than have massive dissent to our out of control government. I’m constantly trying to protect my online stuff, or at least make it very difficult.
Watch videos on The Hated One and you will learn just how much these assholes can do
Watch videos on The Hated One and you will learn just how much these assholes can do
This post was edited on 5/9/22 at 7:12 am
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