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Mini Tower Work Computer Build

Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:26 pm
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:26 pm
Basically what we need is as follows:

-64-Bit Windows 7 Pro
-Recommended i3 or better
-4GB RAM
-64GB HD Space (basically enough for windows a couple of small server based programs)


I've looked around at a few pre-built computers and I honestly don't think I can build anything for $400-500 that'll beat what I can buy. Basically something like this.

The company I work for bought the current machines from the provider of the business system we use. They're quoting us machine pretty close to the one I linked for about $50 less.
Posted by XxxSpooky1
A place in SE La
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:39 pm to
Don't buy home built machines. Purchases a name brand lenovo or HP.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
28257 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

Don't buy home built machines. Purchases a name brand lenovo or HP.



I would build myself if it came to that.

I just don't think saving $40-50 is worth it in this case.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:55 pm to
quote:

Don't buy home built machines. Purchases a name brand lenovo or HP.



The frick are you talking about?

You can always build a better quality machine, but in this case, a better quality (read: higher quality parts) build would likely cost more. It's hard to beat the off-the-shelf prices for basic home PCs at budgets below $500, as long as you shop properly. I could probably beat or match something like that by using some questionable OEM parts, but at that point it's not worth the hassle.

EDIT: Although, that Dell optiplex may not be the best you can do for that price either... let me look around.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
28257 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 9:57 pm to
quote:

It's hard to beat the off-the-shelf prices for basic home PCs at budgets below $500, as long as you shop properly. I could probably beat or match something like that by using some questionable OEM parts, but at that point it's not worth the hassle.


Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I can't really see the point. It will be a 3-5 year machine for basic office use. Get online to order stuff. Look up parts. Point of sale stuff.

I don't think it would be worth it to build one for this use. I'm not used to shopping on a budget when building computers Plus I would imagine when you start cutting corners that much to hit a price point that low you start getting some real hit-or-miss hardware.
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
28257 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:22 pm to
quote:

EDIT: Although, that Dell optiplex may not be the best you can do for that price either... let me look around.



That isn't the exact model they're offering. I can't remember manufacturer off hand but similar specs (4130, 4GB, smaller HD but it was a hybrid). Don't have any experience with hybrid drives though.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

Plus I would imagine when you start cutting corners that much to hit a price point that low you start getting some real hit-or-miss hardware.


Yeah, that can be a problem. It takes a lot more experience to wade through the low-budget components. I still can't recommend dirt cheap motherboards and cases with 100% confidence because I rarely did those types of builds for clients. A big chunk of the savings comes when you pirate Windows.

However, I did just do some rough pricing on a similarly spec'd build to that Dell. Basically, it can be built for $300, but that doesn't include the cost of Windows if you're going legit. And I suppose it doesn't include the cost of $4 mouse and keyboard combo it comes with.

Here's what I'd call a "solid" build with parts that I can actually confidently recommend, including Windows, for a bit over $400: LINK

Use that as a baseline when shopping for off-the-shelf, to determine whether it might be worth it to build -- I'll leave that "worth it" threshold up to you. Personally, I'll build even if it costs more because I fricking love it, but for more practical people, a $50 price difference isn't enough to make it worth the time. Although, SSD... always awesome....
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 10:37 pm
Posted by Srbtiger06
Member since Apr 2006
28257 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:46 pm to
quote:

Use that as a baseline when shopping for off-the-shelf, to determine whether it might be worth it to build -- I'll leave that "worth it" threshold up to you. Personally, I'll build even if it costs more because I fricking love it, but for more practical people, a $50 price difference isn't enough to make it worth the time. Although, SSD... always awesome....



Yeah I figure for an SSD (although hybrid?) and my time, their prebuilt may be better. The 1-year warranty probably puts it over the top for me. If we have any problems they send us a new unit overnight no questions asked. If I build then I'll have to screw with sending stuff back if things go bad.


I think basically I'm trying to convince myself to build one just because I enjoy it so much even though in THIS case there is no reason to. It wouldn't be a big upgrade to build. The money isn't that much different. Most importantly, it won't be my fault when/if something shits out . The boss just told me to look into it since I built his computer and our server. It isn't anything intensive. We just have our main server running SQL for our point of sale system and accounting and then 5 or 6 other computers hooked in for various crap.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 10:53 pm to
quote:

If we have any problems they send us a new unit overnight no questions asked. If I build then I'll have to screw with sending stuff back if things go bad.


For an office build, that can be invaluable. That's why I rarely did low-end builds for customers. They are a fricking nuisance to support sometimes. Let Dell/HP/Lenovo/ASUS handle that shite.

quote:

although hybrid?


Obviously will never match an SSD in performance but it's a step above normal hard drives. It's basically a hard drive that has a larger cache and learns your file access habits to make things launch/load a little faster over time.

EDIT: And I know I am probably providing zero help in terms of helping you decide to build or buy.
This post was edited on 12/8/14 at 10:55 pm
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167172 posts
Posted on 12/8/14 at 11:03 pm to
quote:

Don't buy home built machines.


That's horrible advice
Posted by Palpatine
Member since Dec 2014
77 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 8:41 am to
quote:

That's horrible advice



Not from a business perspective..You think Timmy Toms PC repair is going to rebuild your machine or send parts overnight for free ?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:49 pm to
This thread is about DIY vs. buy off the shelf, not buying from a local shop. OP knows how to build and troubleshoot. He doesn't need Timmy Toms PC repair, and is only trying to decide whether buying the parts and assembling it himself worth his time (both short term and potentially long term) for this particular machine's use.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 12:51 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77971 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 12:55 pm to
ilike; what is the price bump up to an i5 on that configuration and drop Win 8.1 (i have a msdn subscription so i get the OS already)

would this be the best $400 desktop you would recommend?
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:42 pm to
What's the build for? Office use?
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77971 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 2:47 pm to
light office use, controlling a RAID (i'm giving up on my WHS), media server (so plex can transcode on the fly to different devices), torrent station, etc.

occasional quake3 with my son but not really a gaming type box.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 2:48 pm
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:09 pm to
quote:

controlling a RAID


What type and how many drives? or is this going to be connected to an external RAID box... The build I posted for the OP was small form factor, probably wouldn't fit too many 3.5" drives safely and comfortably. I also don't think an i5 is totally necessary for your use. It depends, I guess, on what sort of clients you'll be using for Plex and how many streams you'd have going at once that would actually need the PC to do the transcoding. Even still, it just so happens that I've been working on "Plex"-ifying my media recently (Getting this Chromecast and Nexus 6 has put me in the tinkering mood), and I came across an old post on the Plex blog showing a 2-year-old Mac Mini handling transcoding to 12 clients at once with a mobile i5 on older architecture -- 720p and 1080p of course. Any of the haswell refresh i3s would easily beat the performance of a Sandy or Ivy Bridge mobile i5.

Nevertheless, here's a $436 micro-ATX build with an i5, 120GB SSD, and 1TB HDD: LINK

You could scale down the CPU a little, go Mid-tower/ATX and have some room for more hard drives to make it a true media server/torrent box for essentially everything digital you own.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 3:10 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77971 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:16 pm to
quote:

have some room for more hard drives to make it a true media server/torrent box for essentially everything digital you own.



i dont know/care one way or the other as far as external/internal RAID..hell i'm not even sure if it doesn't make more sense to hook it up to the router instead of a desktop.

both my RAID-2 and WHS crapped out on me so i'm feeling a bit burned on systems that were supposedly 'bulletproof' ways to handle all my media.

i'm hoping the third time is the charm and i set up a configuration that doesn't die in a year.
Posted by ILikeLSUToo
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2008
18018 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:47 pm to
If you're building a home server like this from scratch you might as well put your storage drives in it. Not sure how well Plex would perform in NAS-to-client streaming/transcoding (of course it depends on the NAS internals). It could very well do just fine in an Atom-based NAS for all I know. Personally, I'm all maxed out on ethernet ports but have plenty of room in my PC for more hard drives, so if I were expanding my home server storage, it would go straight into my desktop as opposed to setting up another access point or a wireless storage solution. Just more convenient and cost-effective for my situation.

Consider this:

PCPartPicker part list: LINK
Price breakdown by merchant: LINK /

CPU: Intel Core i3-4150 3.5GHz Dual-Core Processor ($97.27 @ NCIX US)
Motherboard: Biostar Hi-Fi H81S2 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($48.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Kingston SSDNow V300 Series 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($59.94 @ OutletPC)
Case: NZXT Source 210 (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($31.98 @ OutletPC)
Power Supply: EVGA 430W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply ($24.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $318.05
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-12-09 16:45 EST-0500

ATX home server for $300 -- just add the HDD storage of your choice. Maybe some NAS-oriented low power drives with a longer warranty, or take your chances with an array of WD caviar blues or seagate barracudas with the 1-year warranties. You could torrent/seed all day long while streaming Plex to every capable screen in your house while you fire up some Quake 3.
This post was edited on 12/9/14 at 3:49 pm
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77971 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 3:51 pm to


thanks! thats a great price!
Posted by SG_Geaux
Beautiful St George
Member since Aug 2004
77945 posts
Posted on 12/9/14 at 5:39 pm to
Gigabyte Brix.

Doesn't get much smaller.
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