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Klipsch subs vs. SVS and Def. Tech subs
Posted on 4/11/21 at 2:32 am
Posted on 4/11/21 at 2:32 am
Sorry if this is long.
I've had a pair of Klipsch R-115SW subs admirably blasting my den for the last 5-6 years. Great, tight, loud base. And they're set up for wireless.
However, there is always a however, isn't there? A year ago a few rapid power outages crashed one of these $699 subs' power amp board. Had to get a new amp installed for about another $350 or so. Got it fixed and its up and running ok.
Then this past Friday night the thunderstorms caused another series of quick brown outs and blackouts in my home and damaged the other power amp in my otherwise fine working $699 sub.
Both subs symptoms were that they were emitting the dreaded low key thump, thump, thump, thump pulsating sound no matter the source. Only unplugging power halted the annoying sound.
The first time I got a local tech to order the $225 part from Klipsch and install it. This time I might be able to save money by ordering the $225 amp panel and installing it myself.
But I will still have two nice Klipsch subs that now sell for $800 but that could go out again with the next severe storm. Thus possibly creating a new cycle of failures. (At least the 15-inch woofers are in excellent condition.)
Question, would you again fix the issue and keep the subs; fix the issues and sell the subs; or sell the subs as is (one working, one not) and purchase new ones.
In the same price range are:
-- SVS SB-1000 Pro (325w, 12" woofer) for $599;
-- SVS SB-2000 Pro (550w, 12") for $799;
-- Def. Tech ProSub (300w, 8") for $399;
-- SVS SB-3000 SUBWOOFER (800w, 13") for $999
I don't plan to buy another new Klipsch sub. I would just fix the latest one to fail and have two repaired Klipsch subs.
Anyone interested in buying one fully working Klipsch R-115SW and its twin that needs about a $225 amp panel? Both for $350 right here in River City
I've had a pair of Klipsch R-115SW subs admirably blasting my den for the last 5-6 years. Great, tight, loud base. And they're set up for wireless.
However, there is always a however, isn't there? A year ago a few rapid power outages crashed one of these $699 subs' power amp board. Had to get a new amp installed for about another $350 or so. Got it fixed and its up and running ok.
Then this past Friday night the thunderstorms caused another series of quick brown outs and blackouts in my home and damaged the other power amp in my otherwise fine working $699 sub.
Both subs symptoms were that they were emitting the dreaded low key thump, thump, thump, thump pulsating sound no matter the source. Only unplugging power halted the annoying sound.
The first time I got a local tech to order the $225 part from Klipsch and install it. This time I might be able to save money by ordering the $225 amp panel and installing it myself.
But I will still have two nice Klipsch subs that now sell for $800 but that could go out again with the next severe storm. Thus possibly creating a new cycle of failures. (At least the 15-inch woofers are in excellent condition.)
Question, would you again fix the issue and keep the subs; fix the issues and sell the subs; or sell the subs as is (one working, one not) and purchase new ones.
In the same price range are:
-- SVS SB-1000 Pro (325w, 12" woofer) for $599;
-- SVS SB-2000 Pro (550w, 12") for $799;
-- Def. Tech ProSub (300w, 8") for $399;
-- SVS SB-3000 SUBWOOFER (800w, 13") for $999
I don't plan to buy another new Klipsch sub. I would just fix the latest one to fail and have two repaired Klipsch subs.
Anyone interested in buying one fully working Klipsch R-115SW and its twin that needs about a $225 amp panel? Both for $350 right here in River City
This post was edited on 4/11/21 at 2:39 am
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Posted on 4/11/21 at 12:19 pm to kengel2
Thanks I’ll check them out those receptacles. Plus I ordered two new Tripplite isobars to plug the subs into. I already use them for TV and other stereo equip.
Posted on 4/11/21 at 10:51 pm to MDB
SVS ALL DAY
Posted on 4/12/21 at 10:41 am to MDB
I’ve had a klipsch rw12d for such a long time and when I heard a svs, it was much cleaner and powerful.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 11:09 am to MDB
Just sent in my SVS pb1000 for the SVS upgrade to the pb1000 pro.
I can confirm SVS subs are amazing. And I’ve only have the entry level sub so far.
I can confirm SVS subs are amazing. And I’ve only have the entry level sub so far.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:00 pm to MDB
Stick to subs by Power Sound Audio, Rythmik, JTR, Funk as your first level subs. If you can't find what you want from them check with monolith, HSU and SVS.
SVS is the worst performance/$ but they have great customer support.
SVS is the worst performance/$ but they have great customer support.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:11 pm to MDB
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Thanks I’ll check them out those receptacles. Plus I ordered two new Tripplite isobars to plug the subs into. I already use them for TV and other stereo equip.
If it's brownouts breaking your equipment, surge protectors aren't going to do anything. You need a UPS to correct the voltage.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:16 pm to notsince98
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SVS is the worst performance/$
Say what? They are consistently very highly rated. You get what you pay for and SVS delivers.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:21 pm to VABuckeye
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Say what? They are consistently very highly rated. You get what you pay for and SVS delivers.
You pay for SVS customer service in the price (free returns, great warranty, fancy app control, PEQ and trade-in options) but if you go compare the performance of the SVS subs against PSA, Rythmik, Monolith, HSU, JTR, Funk, SVS gets blown out of the water.
SVS is a MUCH better sub than klipsch, DT, polk, etc. but compared to the internet direct sub makers, SVS is bottom of the barrel (still very good, just not as good).
For example, SVS's Cadillac ported sub the PB16-Ultra sells for $2,500. You can get a dual 15" Monolith for the same price that crushes it in every way including output and quality (ultra low THD).
SVS subs are great for beginners because you can try it for free and return it if you don't like it. Other manufacturers will typically charge you return shipping if you return the subs for a refund.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:32 pm to MDB
OP, if you are willing to go to $1k, you should really check out the following:
- HSU VTF3mk5
- HSU ULS15
- HSU VTF15
- Monolith 12" ported
- HSU VTF2mk5
- Rythmik FVX12 (I had these before upgrading, phenomenal subs)
- Rythmik FVX15
- Monolith 10" ported ($500 best budget sub out there)
- Rythmik LV12F
- Rythmik LVX12
If your room is smallish (<2,000 cuft), you might look at sealed subs to help tame room gain unless you just want as much couch shaking as possible. In that case stick with ported.
- HSU VTF3mk5
- HSU ULS15
- HSU VTF15
- Monolith 12" ported
- HSU VTF2mk5
- Rythmik FVX12 (I had these before upgrading, phenomenal subs)
- Rythmik FVX15
- Monolith 10" ported ($500 best budget sub out there)
- Rythmik LV12F
- Rythmik LVX12
If your room is smallish (<2,000 cuft), you might look at sealed subs to help tame room gain unless you just want as much couch shaking as possible. In that case stick with ported.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 12:33 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:45 pm to notsince98
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compact 15 sealed sub, same size as most 12 inch cabinets. If you can afford them, sealed will sound much better for music and still crush for movies. The difference is that it is not a one note boom like most ported sub which emphasis DBL over sound quality.
compact 15 sealed sub, same size as most 12 inch cabinets. If you can afford them, sealed will sound much better for music and still crush for movies. The difference is that it is not a one note boom like most ported sub which emphasis DBL over sound quality.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 12:55 pm to BuzzdLightBeer
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sealed will sound much better for music and still crush for movies.
That isn't true these days and probably hasn't been for almost 20 years. Well designed ported subs sound just as good as sealed for music. The biggest difference comes with output <30Hz which then in turn depends on room size.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:13 pm to MDB
love my SVS
Posted on 4/12/21 at 2:53 pm to MDB
I had an SW-112 fried the board, took so long to get an email back from their customer service I went ahead and bought a JL D-110 to take its place.
I think that this point I'm still going to get the $200 board to get the Klipsch back up and running and use the JL in another room where the smaller size will be a huge advantage. The JL is way smaller and I'd say a good step up in quality/sound quality.
I think that this point I'm still going to get the $200 board to get the Klipsch back up and running and use the JL in another room where the smaller size will be a huge advantage. The JL is way smaller and I'd say a good step up in quality/sound quality.
Posted on 4/12/21 at 3:53 pm to notsince98
Rythmik is also a direct servo sub which is most definitely a clear step above normal ported subs. Non-servo are simply not fast enough to keep up musically.
Ported gives you more dbs, less tone
Ive had the SVS PB-3000, Klipsch SPL 120x2, rel t9x2 and rhythmik E15 in head to head in my theater. The difference for music between ported and non, and servo vs no servo is night and day for pure music listening paired with my Sonos Faber concerto floor standers.
The SVS created the most pressure for the room and the loudest db response under 25hz, but was the loosest for musical playback besides the Klipsch. RELs were great, but not enough umph to pressurize the room and too expensive to step up to their next tier. Ports generally created too much boom at high volume losing the clarity of the instrument (think a stand up basing going up and down scale).
Most will let you try them for a limited time and send back if unhappy. Try that first.
Ported gives you more dbs, less tone
Ive had the SVS PB-3000, Klipsch SPL 120x2, rel t9x2 and rhythmik E15 in head to head in my theater. The difference for music between ported and non, and servo vs no servo is night and day for pure music listening paired with my Sonos Faber concerto floor standers.
The SVS created the most pressure for the room and the loudest db response under 25hz, but was the loosest for musical playback besides the Klipsch. RELs were great, but not enough umph to pressurize the room and too expensive to step up to their next tier. Ports generally created too much boom at high volume losing the clarity of the instrument (think a stand up basing going up and down scale).
Most will let you try them for a limited time and send back if unhappy. Try that first.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 4/12/21 at 4:33 pm to BuzzdLightBeer
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Rythmik is also a direct servo sub which is most definitely a clear step above normal ported subs. Non-servo are simply not fast enough to keep up musically.
Monolith's subs actually have lower distortion than even Rythmik's servo. PSA is also using professional audio drivers with super light cones and ridiculously strong motors. They too are just as fast, musical and low distortion as Rythmik's servo (talking ported subs here).
there are many ways to skin that cat these days with modern drivers and DSPs.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 4/13/21 at 1:47 am to notsince98
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SVS subs are great for beginners...
Please enlighten me...I’m all ears (and please provide me with the lowdown on this subwoofer discovery of yours so I can correct my mistake ASAP!).
Thanks in advance!
Posted on 4/13/21 at 11:20 am to Marco Esquandolas
Nice set up for a beginner.
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