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re: Home theater conundrum
Posted on 1/2/19 at 12:33 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 1/2/19 at 12:33 pm to VABuckeye
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Here's a link to the manual for your speakers with the specs.
Those do not seem to be the same speakers he linked above. The ones he linked are tiny and no AVR should have any problem pushing those.
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Posted on 1/2/19 at 1:41 pm to Chucktown_Badger
It's the exact same model and yes, they are small which has nothing to do with the AVR pushing them. They're 6 ohm speakers and are 83db efficiency which is pretty inefficient. Compare that to an incredibly efficient speaker like a Klipsch which are extremely easy to drive and have efficiency of up to 104db @ 8 ohms.
Note that the link I posted is for the speaker package that includes the exact model satellite and center channel models that he owns.
Note that the link I posted is for the speaker package that includes the exact model satellite and center channel models that he owns.
This post was edited on 1/2/19 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 1/2/19 at 3:20 pm to VABuckeye
5 of the speakers you linked and 2 kickers i linked earlier on zone 2 outside.
The 5 plugged into the center, front, and surround terminals. the 2 others in the surround back for 2nd zone.
New Years eve night i tried hooking the 2 outdoor speakers into the front terminals and run it as just a 2.1 setup to play music outside after switching the impedance back to 8 ohms. It would play for a few minutes then just randomly kick off. This time no static noise came from the speakers. Just simply kicked off.
The 5 plugged into the center, front, and surround terminals. the 2 others in the surround back for 2nd zone.
New Years eve night i tried hooking the 2 outdoor speakers into the front terminals and run it as just a 2.1 setup to play music outside after switching the impedance back to 8 ohms. It would play for a few minutes then just randomly kick off. This time no static noise came from the speakers. Just simply kicked off.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 4:56 pm to TheriotAF
Its a receiver issue....not a speaker issue.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 5:19 pm to TheriotAF
I tend to agree that it's a receiver issue. I've never been a fan of Yamaha audio gear. Do you have a friend that's willing to bring a receiver over to test out the system? Do it without the kickers first. Just LCR and surrounds.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:21 pm to VABuckeye
Everything worked fine with my older receiver I had. It just didn’t have a 2nd zone that I needed for the new house.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 7:36 pm to TheriotAF
You still need to do a test with another receiver. Troubleshoot the steps one by one until you isolate the issue.
Posted on 1/2/19 at 10:06 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
It's the exact same model and yes, they are small which has nothing to do with the AVR pushing them. They're 6 ohm speakers and are 83db efficiency which is pretty inefficient. Compare that to an incredibly efficient speaker like a Klipsch which are extremely easy to drive and have efficiency of up to 104db @ 8 ohms.
Well, a small speaker with smaller and fewer drivers should be easier to power. How many watts per channel would you say would be needed for those small kicker speakers? (I know WPC is not a universal measure but trying to understand how your run of the mill AVR wouldn't be able to power those.)
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:33 am to Chucktown_Badger
It's not about watts or the size of the speakers. It's about the sensitivity of the speakers and the ohm rating that makes them more difficult to drive.
As I posted earlier Klipsch speakers are incredibly easy to drive and they can be very large speakers with large drivers. You are incorrect about the size thing. My Dynaudio Special Forty's are small speakers but they require a lot of power to drive them. They are 86dB sensitivity and also are 6 ohm speakers.
As I posted earlier Klipsch speakers are incredibly easy to drive and they can be very large speakers with large drivers. You are incorrect about the size thing. My Dynaudio Special Forty's are small speakers but they require a lot of power to drive them. They are 86dB sensitivity and also are 6 ohm speakers.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 7:55 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 6:35 am to Chucktown_Badger
To answer your question either the receiver is configured incorrectly and the protection circuity is tripping or the wiring in the walls is compromised and is tripping the protection circuitry. The best way to test this would be to hook up the speakers with speaker wire directly and bypass the wiring in the house. Those are the likely culprits.
This post was edited on 1/3/19 at 7:56 am
Posted on 1/3/19 at 9:27 am to VABuckeye
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speakers and the ohm rating that makes them more difficult to drive.
This
A multi meter would have solved this problem days ago.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 7:35 pm to TigerWise
Too many fancy technical words being thrown around in this thread...I am confused.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:16 pm to TheriotAF
If the Yamaha has decent output like 100wpc or better go find some ELACs on amazon.
Posted on 1/3/19 at 8:29 pm to HebertFest08
Not all wpc are created equal.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 3:06 pm to VABuckeye
quote:
To answer your question either the receiver is configured incorrectly and the protection circuity is tripping or the wiring in the walls is compromised and is tripping the protection circuitry. The best way to test this would be to hook up the speakers with speaker wire directly and bypass the wiring in the house. Those are the likely culprits.
That's a smart idea. Could also swap out the speakers to see the impact of those. Process of elimination.
Posted on 1/4/19 at 8:14 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Just have to go through the process of elimination when troubleshooting. Logical steps.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:05 pm to VABuckeye
This is why I tried hooking up the larger 8ohm outdoor speakers. To see if the ones inside were the problem. It still wouldn’t work correctly. Everything I’ve seen with the wires shows them being ran correctly. Continuity is fine.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 1:31 pm to TheriotAF
They're inside the walls, right? Just test it using speaker wire that isn't in the walls. That's the only way to eliminate the possibility of the wiring being the problem. Test the speakers speaker by speaker and output by output. Like Tigerwise said, a multimeter would be a huge help. 
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:00 pm to VABuckeye
Yeah I took a multimeter to it and everything looked fine to me.
I would try just using an extra piece of wire but already sent the receiver back. I had figured I had already swapped wires and speakers around to rule them out.
I would try just using an extra piece of wire but already sent the receiver back. I had figured I had already swapped wires and speakers around to rule them out.
Posted on 1/5/19 at 2:08 pm to TheriotAF
Hope you get it sorted out soon. I know it's frustrating.
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